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Old September 7th, 2016, 06:11 PM   #1
 
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Is hunting really hunting?

I may be completely wrong on this and you guys might change my mind but... I just watched a cabelles commercial and its game cameras, multi hundreds of dollars of camo, and all types of stuff I don't use. Hunting seems to have gotten more like ranching than anything else. What happend to staying still and actually staying out and watching what the woods are doing? You don't need all this stuff. However you hunt though, good luck this fall.



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I'm sitting here with a big smile after reading your post. I don't consider myself a serious hunter. I love sitting in the woods and taking it all in, even if I never see a deer. I recall an older gentleman at a gunshop where I used to hang out listening to some hunters talk about the value of rifled versus smooth bore shotgun (we could only hunt with shotguns or straight wall pistol cartridge at the time) and all the gadgets they had acquired. This guy leaned over and said I wear my old blue jeans and a Carhart jacket and sit in an old lawn chair near a pond. Sometimes he even enjoyed a cigar or two. Claimed he got a deer every year. Cheers!
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Old September 7th, 2016, 06:35 PM   #3
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I too think many have become more gatherers than hunters.
I don't know how it is up north, but in the south I think we have a whole generation that wouldn't know what to do without corn feeders.
BUT, with that said, at least we're all out in the woods enjoying nature in real life.
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Bow season starts a week from today in NH and I have 5 tags, 4 of which I can use with the bow. I saw 8 deer on the property yesterday including a nice wide 8 pointer. I use a crossbow because of shoulder surgery that leaves me unable to pull a regular bow. I also use camo, a laser range finder, ladder tree stands and own property that has a natural food source, acorns from many oak trees. Life is good.
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I recall way back when I finally got big enough to be able to wear the smallest pair of "iron pants" -- the bramble-resistant kind -- which meant I had graduated into the "adult" group of bird hunters. Most of the rest of our hunting wardrobe consisted of whatever we owned that was appropriate for the prevailing weather: color, pattern, and styling notwithstanding.

Oh, yeah . . . we each had to wear a red hat for safety. The "Day-Glo" orange kind hadn't been invented yet.

Somehow, we usually managed to shoot our limit in spite of such primitive outfitting.

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While I have no desire to "film my experience" and I'm too cheap to buy the latest and greatest stuff I can assure you it's still hunting as my success ratio is still far from perfect.

The way I look at it some guys are just gadget guys and some aren't, the only gadget I think would blur the lines of fair chase would be night vision but I don't believe it's legal for big game in any state.

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I was told once I would make a good indian ... I asked why and my uncle replied because you can sit still with a ton of patience in all weather while hunting ...
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I have hunted for nearly 60 years, and I agree that some things have changed. I can remember as a 12 year old sitting on the ground hunting prairie chickens when the temperature was near zero. I had on two pairs of jeans, a pair of leather boots, two pairs of cotton socks, my winter coat and a pair of cotton gloves. Nearly froze my @@@ off. Took two days to get the feeling back in my fingers and toes. Today, thanks to more "disposable" income, I have and use hi-tech clothing for my own personal comfort. It's much nicer to come home after a morning of cold weather deer hunting and not have be thawed out.

Having said that, I do not use trail cameras (I do have one though) and seldom use tree stands. I have hunted deer for the past 20 years and of the 50 or so deer I have killed, only two were shot from a tree stand on my buddies place. All the rest of them were taken from the ground. I started bow hunting (actually crossbow due to shoulder injury) several years ago, and without good quality camo it would be much more difficult to shoot a deer with an arrow. Much the same can be said for turkey hunting.

I guess in the strictest sense of the word, just "sitting still" and waiting for game to appear is not really hunting. To me, hunting is the act of actively pursuing the animal you are trying to put on the table. I can be still and sit for hours in one spot with no problem. My still hunting capability is awful.

Don't reckon it makes much difference whether someone uses thousands of dollars worth of equipment, gear and gadgets, if that's what floats their boat. After all, spending all that money is good for the economy. Some guys use a $300 rifle, some use a $6000 rifle. That does not make one person any better than the other. I think the vast majority of us "hunt" for the pleasure we derive from it. I can think of no better way to observe and learn about all that Nature has to offer.
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I have hunted for nearly 60 years, and I agree that some things have changed. I can remember as a 12 year old sitting on the ground hunting prairie chickens when the temperature was near zero. I had on two pairs of jeans, a pair of leather boots, two pairs of cotton socks, my winter coat and a pair of cotton gloves. Nearly froze my @@@ off. Took two days to get the feeling back in my fingers and toes. Today, thanks to more "disposable" income, I have and use hi-tech clothing for my own personal comfort. It's much nicer to come home after a morning of cold weather deer hunting and not have be thawed out.

Having said that, I do not use trail cameras (I do have one though) and seldom use tree stands. I have hunted deer for the past 20 years and of the 50 or so deer I have killed, only two were shot from a tree stand on my buddies place. All the rest of them were taken from the ground. I started bow hunting (actually crossbow due to shoulder injury) several years ago, and without good quality camo it would be much more difficult to shoot a deer with an arrow. Much the same can be said for turkey hunting.

I guess in the strictest sense of the word, just "sitting still" and waiting for game to appear is not really hunting. To me, hunting is the act of actively pursuing the animal you are trying to put on the table. I can be still and sit for hours in one spot with no problem. My still hunting capability is awful.

Don't reckon it makes much difference whether someone uses thousands of dollars worth of equipment, gear and gadgets, if that's what floats their boat. After all, spending all that money is good for the economy. Some guys use a $300 rifle, some use a $6000 rifle. That does not make one person any better than the other. I think the vast majority of us "hunt" for the pleasure we derive from it. I can think of no better way to observe and learn about all that Nature has to offer.
I agree with you. Maybe my problem isn't how much you spend or anything like that, and maybe the cabellas commercial was the wrong example. Maybe its the rare chance I watch hunting shows at ma and pa's when we visit and they are in a camo blind in the middle of a field that has obviously been baited. I don't know. The guy I hunt with smokes and drinks coffee an is real close to %100 kill rate. Seems like if you get off your iPhone and actually put in effort it would be mor rewarding and ethical. Different strokes I suppose.
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What hunting I am able to do, one deer hunting trip to alabama, I keep real simple. I find a good place on the ground to sit and that's about it. Camp is fairly primitive and we pack in food and our guns, and pack. Hunting for me is more of just being in the woods with a good rifle and knife, campfires, and sleeping in a good sleeping bag and of course being with my nephew, his 2 sons, and my hunting partner. We don't all get a deer but it's the best of times for me.
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I do have a "poacher" camera and do use a Jeep to get around and I do have good clothing. I also try to keep hunting in its proper perspective. The value of friendships, the time enjoyed outdoors, although I work outdoors every day, locating or calling the game, shooting the game with gun or camera, and finally having the proper respect for the animal are my "is hunting really hunting".
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I think Bob nailed it pretty good. Its all about perspective, enjoying the comraderie of friends and family. Soaking up the great outdoors and watching the critters.
We started out with an old Winchester model 1873- 38-56. Then we got a model 1894. 32 Win SPL. Which was great. 1/2 the weight and twice as accurate. In the early 1970's as a teen, we got the holy grail,, a Model 1903 Springfield 30-06. Since then, we all have our own 1903.

For 30 years I was a die hard old school hunter, and had much success. I got my buck every year. Now, I only REALLY hunt & kill coyotes . The coyotes hurt the deer population bad, and I enjoy coyote hunting. Thats a win win here.

In 2007, I took a trip west. bagged a nice 5 x 5 bull Elk, a 5 x 6 mulie, and came home and nailed a nice 4 x 4 whitetail. That was the triple slam for me. All done old school, without any gimmicks or technology.

Since then, I still go deer hunting here at home every year, and have passed everything up, and shot nothing. Last year was a great hunting year for us. My Youngest brother, and his 9 year old son, both nailed very nice, practically twin 8 point whitetails a day apart, sitting in the same spot watching a small field and tree line. To see my brother smiling, and his son telling both his Grandpaps and all his Uncles about shooting that nice buck, was absolutely priceless.
( There is a picture of it in the Huniting section of the forum.)

My wife ask me every year when I might shoot a deer again, and the answer is always the same. For lack of a better reason, I always say, " when I see something bigger than I already have hanging in the house on the wall, I might get on the trigger."

And I have a couple dandies mounted. So the truth of the matter REALLY is, I dont give a hoot if I shoot a deer or not.
I enjoy seeing the deer and the enjoyment of the younger guys getting a nice one.
We spend most of our summer now planting clover, buckwheat, oats, mine mix, etc, along with fruit tree's, red oaks, grape vines, etc. All just for the critters to eat. After so many years of enjoyment deer hunting a taking game,, it just felt like it was time to give back a little.
Some guys just DONT seem to get that. They wont lift a finger to help the deer or game,, use every means at their disposal that they can get away with to " cheat" trying to kill everything they see this year, then whine and bawl when they dont see anything in following years.

2 weeks ago, my older brother and I were sitting watching a tree line along a field in the evening. he said he wanted to show me something. TWO huge 10 points came out to eat. The one is a monster. He might be 10 miles away come deer season, but we watched them about three evenings in a row. So we know they are around. And Ummm, yup,,, Id probably break my 9 year deer killing restraint if I see that big fella in November.

We do have a couple of game cams, more to just see whats out and about. Last week Dad ( who hasnt shot a deer since about 1980 ) had a game cam out on the buckwheat patch. A big ole Blackbear was in the buckwheat. Thus proving, that bears DO go s##t in the buckwheat.

But, come november, I will be taking my old tack driving model 1903 Springfield 30-06 out and sitting in the snow and rain all day. Walking back to camp with wet feet, cold hands, and having a nice hot cup of joe with the guys, or shooting the breeze while frying up some meat and making a sammich. Then heading back out and sitting until dark. And I probably wont shoot a thing unless I see a coyote, I kill everyone i see if possible. I get 2 or three yotes every year. And I think I enjoy hunting now more than ever. I went two years deer hunting and didnt even load the rifle until my brothers found out a gave me all sorts of hell. But I did have the Ruger Blackhawk loaded on my hip in case a coyote showed and needed terminated.

Who knows, that old " Milo Hansen" monster buck may be just around the corner. Only one way to find out, and thats be there.
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HUNTing make it yours

I do and have hunted for over 50yrs, I don't own a 4 wheeler or and ton of gear, I don't believe in shooting long range, I want to brag about how close I got, I do buy good clothing keep warm and dry this aging bones, I don't put number valves on buck, bulls, very few mounts, do the Eur mounts instead, and all in one room my man cave, hate the Cabales look. I do must of my butchering, and even put the scrapes up as dog food. So its what you make of it, I like to hike leave the truck behind enjoy the fields, stream, Mountains, talk to the dear Lord when I am in his place's, cherish the days, with friends and family and my dogs and the game taken, if I come home empty handed I've still had a great day. And don't watch the TOTAL BS, hunting shows. Fish guided for many years been with a few film crews seen it form that side, total BS. Its what YOU make. Keep it special its what it is.
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I never use stands, I walk the ground, find a deer, and ten em home
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