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This is a discussion on The "most likely" .357 magnum cartridge to kill a black bear within the Hunting forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; Originally Posted by mcwsky09 That's what I would want . Bears are scary critters...


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Old September 2nd, 2015, 08:22 AM   #31
 
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That's what I would want . Bears are scary critters



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Old September 2nd, 2015, 12:15 PM   #32
 
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I feel like this can settle the dispute on 357 vs bear, a grizzly in this case.



"4 shots did not penetrate the skull, 1 missed and the last went through the throat of the bear and hit the spinal cord instantly killing the animal"

shot placement. not that 357 is the best by any means ESPECIALLY against a grizzly (I'm not going there I only say it because of the video) but its better than nothing.
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Bear skulls are no thicker the human skulls. Straight on a 22lr will go through a bear skull. But like a human skull if hit on an angle it can veer off. Note black bear, brown bear and wolf skull on wall. The browns do have a more sloping head like the wolf
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Bear skulls are no thicker the human skulls. Straight on a 22lr will go through a bear skull. But like a human skull if hit on an angle it can veer off. Note black bear, brown bear and wolf skull on wall. The browns do have a more sloping head like the wolf
I dont see a human skull though LOL. I beg to differ on skull thickness of anything larger than a black bear, seeing as theres a story of a 44 mag deflecting off of a bears skull

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I dont see a human skull though LOL. I beg to differ on skull thickness of anything larger than a black bear, seeing as theres a story of a 44 mag deflecting off of a bears skull
The key word being deflected which suggests a bad angle on the shot.
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The key word being deflected which suggests a bad angle on the shot.
Yeah I thought about that. But the thicker the skull, the more likely to deflect am I right?
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If you hand load, the Hornady XTP flat point is a good bullet. I have used them to put a couple of bears down.
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We're heading to the Smokey Mtn National Park to do some hiking this weekend. I have my Ruger stoked with Buffalo Bore's 180 Cast load (1400 fps) for just that purpose! Out of a 3-4" barrel...it should do the trick (absolute last resort situation, of course) but taking into account the risks and planning accordling is wise! Personally, I wish I had a 5" GP100 for this trip...but for now, my Avatar will do!
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We're heading to the Smokey Mtn National Park to do some hiking this weekend. I have my Ruger stoked with Buffalo Bore's 180 Cast load (1400 fps) for just that purpose! Out of a 3-4" barrel...it should do the trick (absolute last resort situation, of course) but taking into account the risks and planning accordling is wise! Personally, I wish I had a 5" GP100 for this trip...but for now, my Avatar will do!
depending on what part of the park you will be visiting, you may be much more likely to run across a wild hog than you are a black bear
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I'm going to break rank and suggest Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetrator rounds. FMJ penetration with a wound cavity that meets or exceeds modern points. They're new, but they're well tested and the science is sound. They'd be my number 2 choice after a 12 ha with brenneke slugs.
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We are talking about a .357 - visit the Buffalo Bore site.

Bears, especially during the end of the long hot dry mountain west summer are becoming more common in suburban areas. Fish and Game was attempting to live trap a bear about 2 miles from my suburban house last week.

Shoot one in the lung/heart area and the beast will have almost one minute to perform on your heart/lung area that what you intended to do on the bears heart/lung area. It will probably swat you over and crush your skull.

Again, the Buffalo Bore site provided good info and dispel thoughts about bullet deflection from bear skulls.

For years when packing a revolver I have always carried loads with heavy cast lead flat nosed bullets having a sharp edged shoulder above the crimp groove. The objective is to cut and damage tissue rather than to make an "ice pick" wound where stuff is sort of pushed aside.

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We are talking about a .357 - visit the Buffalo Bore site.

Bears, especially during the end of the long hot dry mountain west summer are becoming more common in suburban areas. Fish and Game was attempting to live trap a bear about 2 miles from my suburban house last week.

Again, the Buffalo Bore site provided good info and dispel thoughts about bullet deflection from bear skulls.

For years when packing a revolver I have always carried loads with heavy cast lead flat nosed bullets having a sharp edged shoulder above the crimp groove. The objective is to cut and damage tissue rather than to make an "ice pick" wound where stuff is sort of pushed aside.
This I found interesting. I will look into it.
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Skull thickness is only one part of the game - consider the SIZE of the human brain versus the bear brain, and you'd be much more concerned about bear defense. The bear brain is exceedingly small.

Bear heads are big targets, bear brains are small targets. Connecting with a head doesn't mean you'll connect with the brain.
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Black Bear steer clear if they you know you are there. Only issue is in the spring. If you see a cub you are in the wrong place and need to move.

We were playing cards one in a cabin in Northern PA. Heard a creak and we looked up and a bear was sitting on the porch looking the the screen door. As soon as he figured out we saw him he took off like a BOH.

When I lived in Washington I had a pair that would hibernate in stumps on the property. Allot like Winne the Pooh.
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My woods walking round in 357 mag is the Lee 158 gr hard cast over 13 gr 2400! In my GP100 about 1250 FPS ! Never shot a bear with it but would expect a lot of penetration at close range. Other walk around gun is my 4" RH 45LC with Lee 255gr Hard cast at around 1000 fps! This I would expect complete pass throws at close range unless I hit shoulders.
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