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Old February 25th, 2015, 10:26 AM   #1
 
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Do you hollowpoints, Ballistic tips or copper core?




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Old February 25th, 2015, 12:21 PM   #2
 
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This is a broad spectrum of a questions you are asking it depends on what type of game you are hunting.
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This is a broad spectrum of a questions you are asking it depends on what type of game you are hunting.
Deer and hogs.
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Exactly right....different ammo for different game.
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Ok I have killed deer with a .223 I was using handloads Speer 70 grain Spitzer bullets. I have seen some nice 60 grain loads made by Hornady that would suit you well for this as well as some either 68 or 69 grain bullets but you need to look at your local LGS's to see the offerings I am not talking Hollow point bullets but spitzer bullets with a lead tip so they will penetrate and expand!!! A .223 Remington will kill deer nicely if like I said use the right load!!!
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I don't know if a 223 will penetrate the bony plate on a hog. If you shoot a hog in the shoulder you hit solid bone. That's why hog hunter using 223 say always aim for the neck or head not for the body. But a copper core, like the Winchester Razorback in 223 may bust through the bone a shred a boar's lungs.
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Deer and hogs.
Gidday Chica ,i to am an avid .223 fan .... contrare to many in my experience .223 if used within its boundaries is a great killer on hogs and smaller deer species.Here in NZ i have taken Fallow,Sika,and Smaller Reds with .223 no problem at all.

I have found on Fallow and smaller hogs most commercial factory sporting loads do the job as in Hornady 55grn SST,American Eagle 50grn HP,Remington 55grn SP,Winchester silver tip 50grn.

Depending on what rifle you are running and what twist obviously also has a bearing on your ammo options my new Rainier AR 1-7 twist seems to like the new Aussie out back 69 grainers using a HPMatch king projectiles running at 2900 fps which i will be using now in that rifle on Sika and Reds....judging by all reports it should be a great killer on mid sized Deer and Hogs.
I also use a Browning X-bolt in .223 1-12 twist and it loves the American Eagle 50 grn HPs ....the Fallow Deer dont. As always with ANY caliber bullet placement is critical for a good result.
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Put a Barnes TSX in either of them within decent range and you'll be fine.
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I'll second that Barnes TTSX bullet Rubble. The solid bullets in copper work the best in pip-squeak calibers used for hunting medium game. Deer,Antelope etc.
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Suprised the ".223 basher"crew hasn't waded in yet with the ol ".223 is unethical to shoot anything other than varmints with" argument , and that one shouldn't even consider hunting MEDIUM deer and hogs with anything less than 6mm and that a 300 win Mag is optimum....i will pre-empt it and say place your bullet ,be confident with your rifle ,put in the range time,use quality ammo that will do the job and you will put meat in the freezer .... no worries.
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I use the Speer 70gr SP and the Hornady 75gr BTHP which acts like a soft point on coytes and think they would work well on deer. These shoot sub MOA in my 1-8" twist barrel but they DO NOT work well in my 1-12" which prefer 55gr or less.

What are you hunting and what twist rate?
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I don't wade... I do a cannonball, kiwihunter.

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While the 223 might work, I think it's limiting for no good reason. I mean, bow hunting is limiting so if that's what you like, there is no ethical battle here.

For my hog hunting money, I want something that will work through the ear, neck, heart, shoulder, and, yes, the quartering front shot through the gristle plate. Not something that will only work reliably with select shots.

It has been said many, many times that the minimum reasonable caliber for deer is a .243 Win with a ~100 grain pill and you won't get an argument from me. The .223 is weak when compared to this round with 70% of the energy and 67% of the momentum of what many consider the minimum reasonable caliber.

When I hunt, and the way I hunt, I don't usually know what kind of shot will be presented to me. If I had a 500 pound boar walking towards me, I want to know that the bullet I send through the gristle plate will get to the boiler room. I don't want to hold back from the shot because I brought a less-than-reasonable caliber. Or even less fun, a shot that doesn't make it through and sends a pissed off 500 pound killing machine at me.

There are a couple of situations where the .223 might be "reasonable" to hunt with.

One, you told your wife when you bought it that it was a hunting rifle and now you're stuck with that assertion.

Two, you told yourself when you bought it that it was a hunting rifle (to justify the "need") and now you're stuck with that assertion.

If you really, really want to use an AR to hunt with, get a second upper that takes 300 Blackout or 458 SOCOM. Boom!
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62 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claws work great.
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33yrs ago as a young man, here in the SE hunting whitetails, I used mil spec M193 5.56 fmj with great results. The round was absolutely devastating. Leaving huge exit holes that blow the rib cage outward. Of course theres better rounds avail now. Then, the avail HPs were more built toward varmint hunting.
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