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Old July 18th, 2015, 06:08 PM   #46
 
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Suprised the ".223 basher"crew hasn't waded in yet with the ol ".223 is unethical to shoot anything other than varmints with" argument , and that one shouldn't even consider hunting MEDIUM deer and hogs with anything less than 6mm and that a 300 win Mag is optimum....i will pre-empt it and say place your bullet ,be confident with your rifle ,put in the range time,use quality ammo that will do the job and you will put meat in the freezer .... no worries.

Why do you want to go so big a cartridge? LOL haha
I couldn't pass that up.



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Old July 18th, 2015, 11:57 PM   #47
 
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About all I use 223 for is groundhogs and coyotes. So I just use military FMJ. Good enough for that use. I use 270 Win for deer.
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I load 64 grain Winchester sps in my 20" barrel Ruger ulralight using Benchmark powder.
That load clocks 3026 fps average in my rifle , and I have shot a number of feral goats and small wild pigs with it. It kills ok, but you must place your shots, I usually aim just
behind the front leg. It is pretty effective.
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With the right projectile .223 has always worked well for me.But i also love my .308.
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The 223 works on deer and hogs. Use a bullet made for that sized game though. While V-Maxes, Ballistic Tips and match bullets may work, understand that they weren't made for that. Fusion 62s work very well. The 60 Grain Partitions work very well. Trophy Bonded works very well. There are others that are made for medium game. They do what they are supposed to do. Using .223 bullets that are made for varmints and punching holes in paper may not do what you want them to do. There's really no sense in using them when purpose built ammo and bullets are available in the .223 chambering.
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Suprised the ".223 basher"crew hasn't waded in yet with the ol ".223 is unethical to shoot anything other than varmints with" argument , and that one shouldn't even consider hunting MEDIUM deer and hogs with anything less than 6mm and that a 300 win Mag is optimum....i will pre-empt it and say place your bullet ,be confident with your rifle ,put in the range time,use quality ammo that will do the job and you will put meat in the freezer .... no worries.
When the .223 first broke on the scene about 50+ years ago I too would have been a ".223 basher". In fact, when an acquaintance of mine bought a Mini-14 for big game hunting back in the early 80's I told him he was crazy. I recommended only full metal jacket bullets for hunting.

He killed a antelope and it took a zillion FMJ bullets to do the job. He switched to soft points and killed a big Mulely buck with one shot. He next killed a good size black bear with one shot into the sternum from about 75 yards.

With today's premium big game bullets in .223 I would not hesitate to hunt deer, antelope, black bear, hogs, wolves, and even elk under the right conditions. I know of moose that have fallen to the mighty .223AI.

In looking for what's available in loaded .223 Remington ammo I have found everything from practice to match to varmint to big game ammo. It is said that the .223 Remington is the most popular caliber out there for just about anything in the lower 48.
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Do you hollowpoints, Ballistic tips or copper core?
I believe that the Military uses FMJ for hunting jihadists, same as we used nearly 50 years ago for hunting 100# asians.
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The 223/5.56 for medium game varies with what kind of deer, feral vs Russian boar and how old. The older and larger critters demand better shot placement. California just like Texas has a wild hog problem. Many of the feral hogs I've shot, were under 200 lbs and a well constructed 223 around 62+ grs works like poison. The one large Hybrid I have killed (300+) succumbed to a 140 gr 7X57. Deer vary greatly here, due to species variation. A far northern Muley at 250+ is a whole different thing from our coastal blacktails at 150. I would always go for a head or neck shot on a muley with anything under .243 or .257.
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I.ve been told the 64gr Ranger round make great deer medicine. Haven't actually used them on deer(Mulely) where I live but wouldn't blink an eye to do so. It's my wifes load when she hunts with her AR.
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In this vid Ranch Boss explains why 223s are not allowed for hunting on his ranch. Maybe you agree with him maybe not but he is an experienced hunter and I kinda agree a 223 wouldn't be my first choice for those 300lbs or bigger hogs that have been killed on his ranch. [url]

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Suprised the ".223 basher"crew hasn't waded in yet with the ol ".223 is unethical to shoot anything other than varmints with" argument , and that one shouldn't even consider hunting MEDIUM deer and hogs with anything less than 6mm and that a 300 win Mag is optimum....i will pre-empt it and say place your bullet ,be confident with your rifle ,put in the range time,use quality ammo that will do the job and you will put meat in the freezer .... no worries.
While I won't say the .223 is unethical, I agree with others that it is pretty minimal. Here in Colorado it would not be legal for any big game. A .243/6mm is the legal minimum and I've seen more game wounded and lost to a .243 than probably all other cartridges combined.

It may be a fine choice for some in some situations but for my hunting purposes it would be very limiting.
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msp3903 words well said, I think the very same. I have hunted mule deer with a .270, & .243 for several years. I cannot say the .270 did any better job then the .243. I have also killed deer with a .223 Remington. One thing that all calibers had in common I have never hunted deer with factory loads. All the years of deer hunting I have always used my reloads with great success. All my sighting in has been done the same way my reloads. Using quality components with a lot of time and effort always paid off for me. There are many very good factory loads out there to me the .223/5.56 round is very versatile that's why it's so popular!!!
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I'm also a fan of Barnes monolithic bullets in the small calibers. Within 100yds I do head-shots on pig and deer with a 22 K-Hornet, so there is no reason to not use the 223
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In the "what type do you use" spirit of the OP,

Fiocchi 50 grain, with the Hornady Ballistic Tips.

Using a Colt 22" HBAR with 1:7 twist.

I hunt wild dog, feral cats, coyote, and bobcat.

IME, with the AR15, if that first shot isn't a dropper,

a couple follow up shots will finish the job. As long

as you get a hit on the first shot, they're usually stunned

enough for a follow up. I've never had one run off.

Squirrels, OTOH, can be resilient little bastards...
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Just to add fodder to the fire...

I shot a 4-5 year old buck a few years ago with bow and arrow. Stuck him stem to stern, quartering to me, with a 2" expandable. One lung and liver shot. Exit hole you could drop a beer can through. He ran for about a half mile down the mountain. I finally tracked him into a clear-cut - WHERE HE GOT UP AND RAN OFF! - but he was wobbling a bit. This was two hours post shot. I ran him down and dispatched him with a .357 to the chest - to which HE GOT UP AND RAN OFF AGAIN! But this time not far, and died promptly.

Now for the rest of the story - as I was processing the old boy, I found something in his shoulder - lodged in the shoulder blade with a callus built up around it was a rifle bullet. Calipers on the base told me it was .243 most likely, copper pot, soft point.

Moral of the story.....Well, I don't know if it has one other than some creatures just don't want to die and had that bullet been of a larger variety, with more energy, I would have never seen that 12 point, or have him on my wall.
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