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Old February 26th, 2015, 11:10 AM   #16
 
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For my hog hunting money, I want something that will work through the ear, neck, heart, shoulder, and, yes, the quartering front shot through the gristle plate. Not something that will only work reliably with select shots.

When I hunt, and the way I hunt, I don't usually know what kind of shot will be presented to me. If I had a 500 pound boar walking towards me, I want to know that the bullet I send through the gristle plate will get to the boiler room. I don't want to hold back from the shot because I brought a less-than-reasonable caliber. Or even less fun, a shot that doesn't make it through and sends a pissed off 500 pound killing machine at me.
Yeah Buddy.
Might be sort of OK for deer, pretty small wound channel, but personally, I don't trust a .223 hog hunting. Too many situations you don't actually get the good broadside, standing still perfect opportunity neck shot on a pig.
And I've seen a lot of deer wounded with a .223 run off up the side of the hill. Bad Ju-Ju for any hunter. Some due to morons using the same FMJ bullets they use for targets. Illegal hunting rounds, but....
I hate being out on opening weekend in a ground blind or tree stand and hearing some clown unload a full mag at a deer. I digress.

It's a .308 Gunsite pushing out 180gr. BTSP's with hand loads all the way for me. Puts face down in the dirt, anything in North America that scratches, claws, bites, or growls.
Still gotta do your part and put the cross hairs on the mark, but If that don't knock that 500 lb. charging hog down, you might need to find your exit, cause hell's a comin'.



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While the 223 might work, I think it's limiting for no good reason. I mean, bow hunting is limiting so if that's what you like, there is no ethical battle here.

For my hog hunting money, I want something that will work through the ear, neck, heart, shoulder, and, yes, the quartering front shot through the gristle plate. Not something that will only work reliably with select shots.

It has been said many, many times that the minimum reasonable caliber for deer is a .243 Win with a ~100 grain pill and you won't get an argument from me. The .223 is weak when compared to this round with 70% of the energy and 67% of the momentum of what many consider the minimum reasonable caliber.

When I hunt, and the way I hunt, I don't usually know what kind of shot will be presented to me. If I had a 500 pound boar walking towards me, I want to know that the bullet I send through the gristle plate will get to the boiler room. I don't want to hold back from the shot because I brought a less-than-reasonable caliber. Or even less fun, a shot that doesn't make it through and sends a pissed off 500 pound killing machine at me.

There are a couple of situations where the .223 might be "reasonable" to hunt with.

One, you told your wife when you bought it that it was a hunting rifle and now you're stuck with that assertion.

Two, you told yourself when you bought it that it was a hunting rifle (to justify the "need") and now you're stuck with that assertion.

If you really, really want to use an AR to hunt with, get a second upper that takes 300 Blackout or 458 SOCOM. Boom!
Tater right on cue mate....i dont believe chica started this thread as a debate wether or not it was ethical to hunt with a .223 he asked "Do you use hollowpoints, Ballistic tips or copper core?"....nothing to do with any other caliber but .223.

As far as the .223 for deer and hog debate goes thats been done to death on multiple other threads.You have your view and good for you ,your free to use any caliber you choose,i can only talk from my own experience....Here in NZ we have several species of deer and an abundance of hogs whilst my .223 would take a back seat to my .308 on Bigger Reds,Sambar, or Rusa , Wapati or really large Pigs... whereas on Fallow,Sika smaller Reds and pigs i have used it reliably for years no problem and is my caliber of choice on the smaller breeds.

I dont think the animals pictured new or cared about the difference....






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223 for deer/antelope

I've used it for those animals, it worked with precisely placed shots..would it be my first choice? No. Hogs, lots of little ones usually come in..but when BOSS hog arrives, feel better with a 308.
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60gr. Nosler Partitions are absolutely devastating on hogs and deer. Very tough bullet made for exactly your intended purpose. I load these for my .22-250 with great results. Good luck with your choice and Happy Shootin'!
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60gr. Nosler Partitions are absolutely devastating on hogs and deer. Very tough bullet made for exactly your intended purpose. I load these for my .22-250 with great results. Good luck with your choice and Happy Shootin'!
Plus one Mr NSF i also have used the noslers with great effect.
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For deer and hogs, I would use Winchester 64gr power points (soft points)

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I don't know if a 223 will penetrate the bony plate on a hog. If you shoot a hog in the shoulder you hit solid bone. That's why hog hunter using 223 say always aim for the neck or head not for the body. But a copper core, like the Winchester Razorback in 223 may bust through the bone a shred a boar's lungs.
I'm normally a "behind the ear" shooter on hogs, but I've punched through vital shots on several 100-150lb hogs with 60grn Nosler Partitions, and a handful of 250lb+. Same bullet I've taken whitetail deer with up to around 250lbs.

EDIT: Just noticed the other fellas commenting on the Nosler 60grn Partition. Great bullet.
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I don't know if a 223 will penetrate the bony plate on a hog. If you shoot a hog in the shoulder you hit solid bone. That's why hog hunter using 223 say always aim for the neck or head not for the body. But a copper core, like the Winchester Razorback in 223 may bust through the bone a shred a boar's lungs.

It's not legal in Oregon to hunt deer with a .223, so I can't adress that.

However, I've been out hunting feral hogs with a .223 using the 62 gr XM855 ammunition and it worked wonders.


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It's not legal in Oregon to hunt deer with a .223, so I can't adress that.

However, I've been out hunting feral hogs with a .223 using the 62 gr XM855 ammunition and it worked wonders.


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Exactly Jim...and often hogs are harder to put down than deer.
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Heres an interesting link....
The Myth: The .223 is too Light for Deer - American Hunter
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Sorry I'm late to the party.

If your deer hunting with the .223 look at Remington 55 gr. soft points, Hornady V-Max 55 or 60 gr., Fusion 62 gr. ammo and Winchester 64 gr soft points. Any of these put in the right spot, ear, neck or broadside right behind the shoulder will kill a Whitetail pretty fast. I know. I've use them in a DPMS Recon AR15 for 3 years hunting deer. I've not been disappointed when I pull the trigger.

For a hog up to 300 pounds I will also use the above 60 grain bullets and up. I shoot them the same way and have only lost 3 in 5 years of hog hunting. I hate hogs so it didn't matter to me if I lost it, coyotes got to eat also. I hunt them also with my AR.

To me it's all about shot placement over calibers and rifle weight and not pulling the trigger unless you can make the shot when in the woods. Also keeping a climbing tree handy when hunting hogs from the ground, that goes for whatever caliber your carrying.
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Sorry I'm late to the party.

If your deer hunting with the .223 look at Remington 55 gr. soft points, Hornady V-Max 55 or 60 gr., Fusion 62 gr. ammo and Winchester 64 gr soft points. Any of these put in the right spot, ear, neck or broadside right behind the shoulder will kill a Whitetail pretty fast. I know. I've use them in a DPMS Recon AR15 for 3 years hunting deer. I've not been disappointed when I pull the trigger.

For a hog up to 300 pounds I will also use the above 60 grain bullets and up. I shoot them the same way and have only lost 3 in 5 years of hog hunting. I hate hogs so it didn't matter to me if I lost it, coyotes got to eat also. I hunt them also with my AR.

To me it's all about shot placement over calibers and rifle weight and not pulling the trigger unless you can make the shot when in the woods. Also keeping a climbing tree handy when hunting hogs from the ground, that goes for whatever caliber your carrying.
Plus one Falcon....exactly my thoughts.
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Usually when I hear someone arguing that the .223/5.56 is too small for deer, it's someone from a state where they are told it's too small for deer. Here in Oklahoma it's been legal to hunt deer with the .223 for as long as I can remember. Folks have been using the .223 on deer here with fantastic results for a long time. The .223 can flat out put even big bucks on their butts as fast as anything else. Come on over to a state where the .223 is legal for deer and you'll find plenty of stories of how well it performs because we know better than to believe that "it's too small" stuff, the proof is in the backstrap.

As far as .223/5.56 on hogs, go to some of the other forums that have sections dedicated to hog hunting and you'll quickly learn the .223 is more than enough, even on big hogs. It's no exaggeration when they say more hogs have been taken with .223/5.56 AR's than any other caliber or rifle. Contrary to what you'll read on the internet, hogs are not indestructible and while the "armor plate" on really big hogs is extremely tough, it's not bullet proof. Check out those hog hunting forums and you'll walk away knowing that your 5.56 AR will serve you well hog hunting.

For deer, I would go with one of the various .223/5.56 designed specifically for deer hunting. There are a LOT of them to choose from. For hogs, a lot of hunters use the cheap stuff like green tip, not just because it's cheap but because it's cheap and it works! The stuff you don't want is the stuff where expansion is it's primary purpose. Choose cartridges designed to penetrate first and expand second.

Keep in mind that while the .223/5.56 is an effective caliber for hogs, you want to go for shots that will limit the hogs forward movement. Instead of lung shots you want to take head shots when possible or spine shots or hits that are going to break bones. Hogs shot through the lungs/vitals with the .223/5.56 will often run far, far away so those shots are better left to larger calibers that can decimate internals. Use good penetrating ammo such as green tip on the cheap side or the various solid copper choices like Barnes on the pricier side. Try to choose heavier bullets. Remember your distance limitations using the smaller calibers and shoot to stop hogs quickly instead of taking vitals shots.

Oh and always, always, always, carry a handgun with the capability to stop a pissed off, wounded hog in it's tracks. I saw a guy once wound a hog and it turned and charged him. He was carrying a 9mm (Beretta 92 I think) and he emptied the entire mag on the hog before it stopped. That's crazy...choose something that will take a single hit and go down like a .357 mag, .44 magnum, .45 Colt with strong loads and hard cast bullets.

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+2 Brandi,

But didn't TriggerCreep inform us mortals that .223 was inadequate according to his experience? I've only hunted little Caribou with 223, nothing like the mighty whitetail, so I'm just a rube in that respect.
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