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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #1
 
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free floating barrel ?

If it's good to have a free floating barrel. Why do some manufactures have a barrel band on their rifles. Like Winchester lever actions- Ruger 10/22 some Marlins. Some thing I just wonder about. Dave



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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:46 PM   #2
 
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My thoughts are that most slings are attached to the stock. If you are walking the woods with a sling and no barrel band, should you catch the barrel on a branch you are likely to cause damage.

In the UK, hunting rifles have barrel bands, target rifles, used at the range are free floating.
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If it's good to have a free floating barrel. Why do some manufactures have a barrel band on their rifles. Like Winchester lever actions- Ruger 10/22 some Marlins. Some thing I just wonder about. Dave
Probably because the guns with the bands aren't free-floating to begin with. No harm, no foul.
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The rifles with barrel bands are usually built to be reliable tough field guns that are not going to be babied, and absolute accuracy is less of a concern.
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My thoughts are that most slings are attached to the stock. If you are walking the woods with a sling and no barrel band, should you catch the barrel on a branch you are likely to cause damage.

In the UK, hunting rifles have barrel bands, target rifles, used at the range are free floating.
and in some instances, such as the ruger 10/22, there is one screw holding the stock on.
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and in some instances, such as the ruger 10/22, there is one screw holding the stock on.
My 10/22 does not have a barrel band, mrs Hrun's does. Both only have one screw, nothing else is needed.
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My 10/22 does not have a barrel band, mrs Hrun's does. Both only have one screw, nothing else is needed.
don't go swinging it through the woods.. Id imagine the thin parts of the stock would crack or split if dropped or caught on a tree
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Thank you for your replies. Some times I just wonder about stuff.
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ive bedded ruger 10/22 rifles both ways, full length bedding on one with a barrel band and combined pillar and receiver bedding on one with aftermarket stock full floated barrel. I got improved accuracy with the barrel band stock, the standard carbine stock that is, by full length bedding the barrel, I did not bed the receiver in that case but it might of been better to do both. With a floated barrel like the 10/22 with aftermarket stock I bedded the rear third of the receiver and with a pillar under the action I bedded the first couple inches of barrel ahead of the v block, this imo was the perfect combination for a floated 10/22. other rifle designs will have differences in the ways you approach the bedding. personally I think its a great if possible to have the barrel floated vs a barrel band with barrel touching the stock or barrel touching the stock without a band, that last one can be corrected if you want to remove some wood from the barrel channel and possibly bed the action if needed. the main detraction from contact with the barrel is stringing the groups from heat expanding the barrel and moving it as it warms, it would seem to me how much this affects accuracy is probably dependant in some part by how even the barrel to stock contact is. theres always different thoughts on this, ive seen those who have only bedded the last couple inches of barrel under the band area(10/22) have great improvements. I had a 77/17 that shot 3/8" 50 yard groups consistently that I never gave a second though to doing any kind of bedding on. so obviously in some cases any improvements might be too small to do for many. if theres room for improvement then bedding could be considered along with other factors to improve accuracy.
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don't go swinging it through the woods.. Id imagine the thin parts of the stock would crack or split if dropped or caught on a tree
Exactly, my 10/22 is a range Queen and my gun licence in the UK only allows range use as I don't hunt.

The barrel band would be useful if I did.
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... I got improved accuracy with the barrel band stock, the standard carbine stock that is, by full length bedding the barrel, I did not bed the receiver in that case but it might of been better to do both....
I understood if you bed the barrel, then the receiver should float and if you float the barrel, then the receiver should be bedded.
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If it's good to have a free floating barrel. Why do some manufactures have a barrel band on their rifles. Like Winchester lever actions- Ruger 10/22 some Marlins. Some thing I just wonder about. Dave
Those firearms aren't designed to be long range precision rifles. They are designed to be built like a tank, take a beating and no love at all, and still function every time. Can you build some of them to be free floating? Of course. But in doing so, you can possibly destroy the accuracy it had and/or even take away from it's reliability.
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