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Old March 23rd, 2013, 03:03 PM   #16
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 04:16 PM   #17
 
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303 you are an old fuddy duddy!!!

What's funny is I'm getting closer and closer to ya. I'm 45 so not there but more and more instead of embracing the new and improved, it's the things I was exposed to in the formative years I fall back on. Still can embrace some of it but I can sure tell where you are coming from.
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I'm glad I grew up on 1911s and revolvers, instead of Glocks. These poor kids nowadays don't know what a good trigger is.
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Yes, great information. I've been thinking a 1911 will me by next gun as well.
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1911's The Good, Bad & Ugly...

One cool thing about 1911's is that they are similar to the AR rifle, in that you can personalize it however you want, and even build your own (sorta, will explain) by clicking your way through Brownells.

One of my favorite 1911's started as a matched frame and slide from Caspian. I bought a Kart barrel, Wilson internals and sights, and Chip McCormick grips. I dropped it all off at my gunsmith, and several months later, I had a custom 1911 in EXACTLY the configuration I wanted with the quality approaching a Wilson for $1100. It looks mostly like a GI on the outside, but with better front sights, and presentation grips, but it is as smooth and refined as a high end custom with a Black Titanium Nitride finish.
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Here are some tips:

Before you drop $900 on a 1911A1, get the 1911 Kuhnhausen books from Brownells.

After you have read them and done your homework, try to find a used 1911A1. The uglier the better. The Kuhnhausen books will show you what to look for.

Somewhere, a widow is getting rid of the junk in her husband's foot locker. Don't take advantage of her. Give her a fair price for it.

Remember, every part on a 1911A1 can be changed out it it is rusted, damaged or worn: BUT ONLY IF IT IS A MILSPEC 1911A1. The current crop of NEW lawyer friendly pistols have all kinds of non-milspec safeties and gimcracks in them. These pistols will not take GI surplus parts and may be unique to the manufacturer. Stay with a true 1911A1.

Never buy a new 1911A1.

Then get to work making your 1911A1 the most reliable .45 ever. It makes no difference who made it if it is made to milspecs. I have a Rock Island GI Issue model that is as good as any, made in the Philippines.

Welcome to the 1911A1 club.
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303 you are an old fuddy duddy!!!

What's funny is I'm getting closer and closer to ya. I'm 45 so not there but more and more instead of embracing the new and improved, it's the things I was exposed to in the formative years I fall back on. Still can embrace some of it but I can sure tell where you are coming from.
I collected WWI and WWII firearms for years and have a good collection of them. Nowdays I shoot mostly 22LR.
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There is that "something" about a 1911 that you understand after owing one.
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This one was my chosen daily carry gun, after all the ones I built with bells and whistles, when the day was done, this one rode in the saddle and the rest of them got sold off or traded, but funny the plainest one of the bunch was the weapon of choice.

Early 70s Colt Combat Commander upper, stock Colt barrel, Briley bushing, full length guide rod with Wolff springs throughout, Caspian frame with McCormick sear/disconnect, Videcki trigger, everything else was WWI or WWII Colt.

I got over the beavertails and hi-rise stuff and extended this and that... This one never failed to fire, year after year on the same loaded magazine, utterly reliable.





Sightngrl, as you can see there are about 17 ways from Sunday to come about owning a 1911. There are the 3 levels of expense (and quality) that was mentioned earlier and that's about accurate with complete working 1911's but if you are a shooter that likes tinkering with things or customizing parts then don't buy a complete gun, buy a slide and barrel you like, and a frame, and build it out from there with the parts of your choice.
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Thx everyone for posting your 1911 information. I'm glad we have so many experienced & knowledgeable forum members to help us non-1911ers!
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Just about all of the Browning designs are alive and well today and have proved to be very durable and rugged. I understand the 1911 never fully disappeared from our military service and is still a top weapon. My opinion is that you can never go wrong having one.
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Anyone else have anything to add? I'm torn between going for something inexpensive like the Girsan's that Bud's has or going more upscale and grabbing a Sig since a few places locally have them at better then normal prices for the TacOps model. My brother recommends either Springfield or Taurus, but neither seems currently available.
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Re: 1911's The Good, Bad & Ugly...

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I'm sure that I'm not the only forum member that is considering buying a 1911 this year. So lets hear the good, the bad and the ugly about the 1911's that you've owned. Educate us non-1911 owners before we make our decisions on which 1911 to buy or whether to buy one at all.
The good? Too much to list here. Avoid a plain GI model unless you want to spend time and money fixing it up. I can't say I know of a bad 1911, but some are better than others.

It's hard to beat the SR1911 for value. Critics will say it has a forged frame. So??? It's a very good frame though it's not machined from a solid hunk of stainless steel. It doesn't have a match barrel but the barrel and bushing are machined from the same hunk of metal which really helps with a perfect match. The slide is machined from solid billet. You get a lot of extras for no additional charge with the SR. One plus is the plunger tube is an integral part of the frame. Not many other 1911's have this feature. The advantage is that it will never come loose.

Other nice medium priced 1911's can be had from S&W, FN, Remington, STI and Rock Island Armory is producing a pretty good 1911.

Springfield is a step up as is Colt, Para and Kimber. Then you start getting into the luxury class of 1911's with Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, Les Baer and a few others, which brings us to the bad.

1911's aren't cheap. They're single stack and generally hold 7, 8 or 10 rounds in the mag. But that helps with their renowned grip and feel.

Ugly? That's in the eye of the beholder, but personally, I think rails on 1911's just look weird. But they're all beautiful.

Make sure you get one with an extended beaver tail unless you're OK with hammer bite. Also look for an enlarged ejection port, a polished ramp and oversized thumb safeties are nice.

No other handgun has more accessories or aftermarket parts for it. With care, they'll last a lifetime.

Stick with a 5, 6 or 4 inch barrel. The 6 inch is for target shooting. The 5 inch is standard. The 3 inchers can have some problems but I sure love my Defender. Colt got it right.

1911's have phenomenal triggers but be aware of the differences between series 70 and 80. The 70 is the original design. The 80 is a modification designed by Colt to make them a little safer in the drop test. Most people prefer the series 70 style since it has less parts to drop the hammer. The extra safety in the series 80 can add some tension to the trigger pull, but it's maybe a half pound increase.

I could go on all night about 1911's but rest assured, John M. Browning's masterpiece is the standard all other pistols are judged by.

Everybody needs at least one. And one is all it takes to catch 1911 fever, for which there is no cure.

Be sure you PM me before you decide.

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Don't make the mistake of buying a cheap 1911 just to have one.
No one ever complained the quality was to great.
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Re: 1911's The Good, Bad & Ugly...

I see there are several people advocating getting a milspec GI model first. I say first, because you will get more.

But I don't recommend that. I say get a good mid range 1911 and learn about how it shoots and why before buying a plain Jane and needing to modify it to make it shoot the way it should. Again, Ruger is a great first 1911.

I have one, an Ed Brown Molon Labe, the one I built from Wilson Combat parts and a Colt Defender. They're all 5 inchers except for the 3 inch Defender.

They don't get any better than the Ed Brown though my DIY is going to give it a run for the money. But my SR1911 with me shooting it is pretty close to either at 25 yards.

All metal 1911's are on the heavy side but that really helps with recoil, which is very manageable.

Someone already spoiled your jack in the box moment. You'll see what we mean when you field strip it the first time. Note: put a rag over the recoil spring plug when removing it.

They don't break down like most semi autos. You'll need a bushing wrench (usually) to field strip one. The SR1911 comes with one. If you don't need one, then your bushing is kind of loose. A little loose is OK. A lot loose isn't. Check YouTube for field stripping a 1911. Note: Ed Brown advocates an alternate break down method. It will work, but I find the original method works best for me.

There's no trigger quite like a 1911's. You'll know that the first time you shoot one. Don't be surprised if you have an unintended double tap the first time at the range. The reset is almost imperceptible and the triggers usually break very easily, most times around 3 to 5 lbs. There's also not much trigger travel due to their unique design.

Go with a .45 ACP. while there are other calibers available, there's nothing like the original. The round was literally built for that gun just as the 9mm parabellum was built for the Luger.

Make sure you clean it before shooting it the first time. And of course, with FrogLube!

It's been said that John Browning figured out how strong something needed to be, then doubled it. The 1911 is a work horse, not a safe queen. Ammo providing, shoot it often. You'll both enjoy it. If you should reload, it's a pretty easy round to reload with excellent case life.

There's a reason 1911's are the most popular pistol ever made. They're the best. You'll never regret it.

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