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Old March 5th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #1
 
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Ruger vs. Colt revolvers

Bear in mind that this is a story told to me by a guy working at cabelas - after I had just bought my GP100, so he was no longer is salesman mode but he sounded sincere to me...

Anyway, guy tells me he was in a little gun shop some years ago ( don't remember where) and there's a guy talking to the salesman about the difference between some ruger model and a comparable colt revolver. The customer was apparently vexed by the difference in price for two seemingly very similar guns...the salesman was giving him the standard colt company line - then, another guy who was sitting off to the side (the story teller impresses upon me that this was likely the owner of the shop) says "you wanna know what the difference in those 2 guns is? Hand me that ruger.".

So, employee guy hands old guy the ruger and old guy tosses the ruger a few feet across the floor (reportedly carpeted) and says " difference is, I can go take that ruger to the range and blast away- but I wouldn't even fire the colt once before I brought it over to the gunsmith first."



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1. that is one persons opinion, not of whether one gun is better but that he would be willing to fire one after that treatment'

2. Since Colt is pretty much out of the revolver business, it's pretty moot.
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1.yes, that's exactly what it is. It's not an argument of the overall quality of the colt revolver. Glad message was clear that time.


Sorry to have bored you.

It's just an anecdotal gun story, not based on any kind of 'google research' on my fancy 'Internet machine'

Thanks for the warm welcome though!

I'm not familiar with all the features of the forum, but I'm sure theres a way for you to ignore my posts to save you the pain of reading my yawn-inspiring posts and thus further avoid having to be forced to tell me how irrelevant my gun story is.

I just ask that you ignore me or consider lightening up...I wasn't the one who pissed in your cornflakes this morning man.
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Stregnth!

I liked the magizine ad that showed a hollowed out S&W revolver frame, with the side plate missing, compaired to a Ruger Security Six, with the trigger group removed.

Guess the point was to show the Ruger had a stronger frame, with solid steel on both sides.

Don't know if it really makes that much difference in reality, but I bought a Security Six.
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The only thing that matters to me here is that for the price of a Colt revolver, you could go and buy 2 Ruger's! Quality between the two brands has been close to equal over the years. I think either one would handle that sort of abuse about the same. Colt's were/are far from delicate, they could take a pretty good beating just like the Ruger.
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Ever seen "Colt Only" loads?
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Welcome to the forum BTW! I agree, that Ruger's are built like a tank AND they don't cost as much. I have been a Ruger fan since I was 5 and shot my dads 10/22 for the first time, so maybe I'm a little biased. And yeah, lighten up Countrygun! No need to be all crotchety to the new guys!
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Ever seen "Colt Only" loads?
Do tell...
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Welcome to the forum BTW! I agree, that Ruger's are built like a tank AND they don't cost as much. I have been a Ruger fan since I was 5 and shot my dads 10/22 for the first time, so maybe I'm a little biased. And yeah, lighten up Countrygun! No need to be all crotchety to the new guys!
Well I have just seen and heard so many "torture tests" 1911, to Glock, that I have become jaded, and since Colt isn't in the market anymore and the danger to the gun's functioning in such a story would be the cylinder lockup most likely, I think most S&Ws, Colts and Rugers would have about the same chance of surviving.

I apologize to the OP if I offended, and FWIW the wife and I we have over a half a dozen ruger revolvers, we are fans
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Welcome to the forum BTW! I agree, that Ruger's are built like a tank AND they don't cost as much. I have been a Ruger fan since I was 5 and shot my dads 10/22 for the first time, so maybe I'm a little biased. And yeah, lighten up Countrygun! No need to be all crotchety to the new guys!
Thanks man - you know, I'm sure colts are great and all, as others would argue, but I thought the story was funny...and agree with your assessment wholeheartedly...like you, the first firearm I handled (but not shot) was a ruger ...this one was my granddad's m77 243...that gun is mine now, and I've owned 5 others( just not at the same time)...just love the feel of a ruger revolver.
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rugged doesn't equal quality

Comparing the ability of a revolver to handle abuse to the level of quality is hardly an apples to apples comparison!

I recently returned a Redhawk to Ruger for the third time for a refund. The gun had numerous issues when I bought it including a bad barrel that was also canted - not uncommon on Ruger revolvers (Have you checked yours?) When I got it back the second time the new barrel was also canted. When I called Ruger they said it was the best they could do and offered me a refund. Hats off to Ruger for great customer service and buying the gun back - but I just can't call a handgun with a crooked barrel "quality" although the Redhawk is indeed a very rugged revolver. And yes - mine was not an isolated case- the story I bought it from had another Redhawk with the same issue.

I'm not anti-Ruger by any means. My first new handgun was a SRH I bought in the mid 60s and I've had many more Rugers since. I still own perhaps a dozen or so Rugers. Some Rugers like the No. 1 are quality production rifles by any standard but the double action revolvers are a different matter. Canted barrels, flat surfaces that aren't flat, abundant tool and casting marks just don't add up to the perception of quality apparent in other handguns like the mentioned Colt.

Rugged- absolutely! Better quality is another matter and Ruger revolvers just meet - much less exceed - the quality level of a Colt.
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1. that is one persons opinion, not of whether one gun is better but that he would be willing to fire one after that treatment'
Yeah the story is apocryphal, but illuminating nonetheless. Unless the guy doing the tossing was the store or gun owner he had a lot of nerve.

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2. Since Colt is pretty much out of the revolver business, it's pretty moot.
But there are plenty of used guns out there.

Congratulations on being the first person in a long time that I have seen both use the word "moot" and spell it correctly at the same time. You have no idea how rare that is.

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I liked the magizine ad that showed a hollowed out S&W revolver frame, with the side plate missing, compaired to a Ruger Security Six, with the trigger group removed.

Guess the point was to show the Ruger had a stronger frame, with solid steel on both sides.

Don't know if it really makes that much difference in reality, but I bought a Security Six.
In the "70s there was a big advertising war between Smith & Wesson and Ruger over which was stronger, the forged S&W frames or the Investment cast Ruger frames. (Ruger is a pioneer in the investment casting field-also known as "lost wax" method-, not just for firearms, but other things as well.)

In investment casting, you do most of your machining of the frame in wax (since the material is much softer than steel, it is REALLY cheap and easy. You cast a ceramic, sand or other cold casting material around the wax, let it harden, then heat the material and pour steel in where the wax ran out. You now have any kind of complex shape you can make. A little minor finish machining for the critical fit areas and you have a gun frame or brake caliper or whatever. For a lot less than a forged or machined part. Just a bit larger and heavier for the strength and not as pretty or smooth in areas where it only counts for aesthetics or where you can't see it.

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Ever seen "Colt Only" loads?
The Colt Anaconda is one of those guns that can take "Ruger Only" loads. But even at that, I wouldn't subject even a Ruger to what a T-C Contender or Freedom Arms could handle. "Ruger Only" has become a kind of generic term, like "Xerox" for photocopy or "Kleenex" for tissue paper.

Colts not only have a FINE trigger pull, but their timing is legendary. Some models of Colt Revolvers have a lockwork system that, when the hammer drops, locks the cylinder such that there is NO PLAY in the cylinder. Most revolvers have a little play (which is not necessarily a bad thing), but once you have tested a Colt Diamondback (in good condition), you will know there is a difference.

You pays your money and you takes your choice. After you have decided what is important to you and what your budget can stand.

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I have seldom heard a gun salesman at Cabela's or most other LGS's tell me anything remotely related to the engineering specifications of firearms which made any sense at all? The Colt SAA was designed in the early 1870's off the Roland White Patent and has not changed much, except for the use better/stronger materials since it was designed.

The Ruger Blackhawk was designed in the mid-1950's to fire .357 and .44 magnum ammunition. The Colt SAA was not even chambered for .357 Mag until 1961! The Colt SAA was designed for black powder loads under 12,000 PSI. The .44 Mag pressure can run 35,000 PSI. It is an apples versus tomatoes comparison.

I have owned maybe (8) Ruger Blackhawks and perhaps (6) Colt SAA's in the last 50+ years, plus, a couple of New Frontier Colts and other manufacturer, Colt clones. I have owned, been loading and shooting both Ruger Blackhawks and Colt SAA's since 1965. To me, these two revolvers have totally different approaches to addressing the same problem, probably because they were designed almost exactly 100 years apart and early SAA's were wrought iron frames, cylinders and barrels, not SAE 4140 steel.

Give me a 3rd generation Colt any day for form, fit and function with moderate loads. The Colt is an elegant design that has withstood the test of time. The Blackhawk is a wonderful hunting, very strong handgun with high powered loads and modern design but it is not a Colt and never was intended to be?

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I have to say Ruger revolvers,because I have four and no colt's!
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