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Old July 5th, 2011, 01:56 AM   #1
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Accidental Discharge

Just thought I would share this with you. This was passed from an e-mail to myself. Do not know the person.



Subject: Fwd: Accidental Discharge


“What the hell was that?!?” she said. It took me a half a second to realize that my gun had just gone off…on my hip…in its holster. My wife and I had just finished breakfast at our favorite café and got into the car.
Me being the passenger, I rotated my torso to the left to fasten my seatbelt like I always do. When I straightened again, my Glock 19 discharged, blowing a 9mm hole through my pants, underwear, the leather seat and bottom of the car’s door frame.
The bullet nicked my hip, but the wound is nothing a bandage couldn’t cover. So what went wrong? Guns never go “Bang” all by themselves.
After ensuring I wasn’t hemorrhaging profusely and didn’t have to make a dash for the hospital, I stayed seated in the car as my wife came around to my door and opened it. I undid my belt and slid the Galco JAK202 Slide Belt Holster, with the gun still in it, off my belt. Why it went off was immediately apparent.
Accidental Discharge
The trusty, comfortable, leather holster I had been using for a year and two weeks had done what a baseball glove does after lots of use; It got soft. This particular holster carries the pistol outside the waistband, but inside the belt. The belt slides through slots in the outer side of the holster.
The problem stemmed from the leather on the inner side of the holster getting soft. A crease formed, which eventually was large enough to extend beyond the trigger. Manipulate the gun in just the wrong manner and this crease is no different than a finger on the trigger. Boom!
I can’t say I didn’t know the crease had been formed in the holster. I trained myself to be sure that when holstering, to make sure the gun was fully in the holster, with the trigger protected. On this day, did I forget to do that when I holstered up? Did the leather finally get so soft that a combination of body movements and interference by the cushy leather seat move the Glock enough to create a situation where the trigger was engaged by the holster?
I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure, but I’ll humbly admit to the former as the likely culprit. However, if it was the latter, then those of you who use this type of holster need to be aware of its limitations and the possibility of experiencing what I did.
It might have been a very different story had the incident happened while we were dining. That bullet ricocheting off the concrete floor could have done untold damage and just as easily killed somebody. Fortunately nobody got hurt and damage to the car was minimal. It will be an interesting conversation with the insurance company to see if they’ll cover the repairs.
Lessons Learned
Holstering your gun can be just as important as drawing it. Make sure you pay attention when doing so. If your leather is getting soft and worn, be sure that it won’t interfere with your trigger or just replace it.
The back of the slide and/or grip was being pushed downward into the leather holster…or the holster was being pushed upward with some force. My guess is the firearm was being pushed and the fold in the holster acted as a finger and depressed the Glock trigger safety.
This truly brings home the importance of taking care of your equipment and ensuring it’s in proper working order. Hopefully you can learn from my situation and prevent an accident like this from happening to you.


While other handguns require you to manually switch the safety on or off, the Glock trigger safety operates under one simple rule: When your finger is away from the trigger, your Glock pistol is secure; pull the trigger and all three safety devices are deactivated one after the other and your Glock is ready to fire. When the trigger is released, all three safety features are then reactivated and your Glock pistol is once again secure, making Glock pistols some of the safest pistols you can own.


...except when your holster "grows fingers!"










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Old July 5th, 2011, 03:44 AM   #2
 
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Glad that the damage to self and property was minimal. One thing I appreciate about my SR9c is the manual safety for all the reasons you mention. The SR series have Glock style triggers and are a pleasure to shoot, but make me nervous. My other carry piece is a Sigma .40 cal. and I have always felt safe carrying that gun.
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Wow I am sorry that happened to you. I am also thankful you shared this so hopfully it wont happen to anyone else.
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If you knew about the faulty holster like you admitted in your post, you had a Negligent Discharge, not accidental.
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Two things I get out of this (this will piss some of you off).

1. Why is this wannabe mall ninja wearing a gun going to breakfast? Guys that do this upset the citizens and encourage anti-gun sentiment. And this guy clearly reflects horribly on the gun community.

2. This is exactly why I say that all semi-autos ought to have a manual safety similar to that of the 1911 or Beretta M9.

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While other handguns require you to manually switch the safety on or off, the Glock trigger safety operates under one simple rule: When your finger is away from the trigger, your Glock pistol is secure; pull the trigger and all three safety devices are deactivated one after the other and your Glock is ready to fire. When the trigger is released, all three safety features are then reactivated and your Glock pistol is once again secure, making Glock pistols some of the safest pistols you can own.
Sorry, no. This makes the Glock one of the most dangerous gun you can own. Stuff happens. A 1911, a Beretta M9/92fs, or one of the Ruger SR series guns--those are safe guns because they have manual safeties.

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i agree with the manual safeties, if you r carrying with one in the chamber
(better safe than sorry)
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i agree with the manual safeties, if you r carrying with one in the chamber
(better safe than sorry)
Great point, Longbow: I should add:

3. Why carry cocked-and-ready? (notice I didn't say cocked-and-locked, since Glocks don't have a manual safety). Was this guy worried that a waitress at the cafe would hold him up for a bigger tip? I mean, really...
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i agree with the manual safeties, if you r carrying with one in the chamber
(better safe than sorry)
The lack of a manual safety is THE main reason I chose the SR40 over the Glock 40. I asked the Turner rep why the Glock didn't have a safety and he said the Glock was a combat pistol. This is the first handgun that I have owned, but was used to the 3 safeties on the 1911 that I carried in the Army, many, many years ago.
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One more time I will state what I always say when I hear about these so called accidental discharge. There are no accidents, just stupid mistakes by armatures.
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Two things I get out of this (this will piss some of you off).

1. Why is this wannabe mall ninja wearing a gun going to breakfast? Guys that do this upset the citizens and encourage anti-gun sentiment. And this guy clearly reflects horribly on the gun community.

2. This is exactly why I say that all semi-autos ought to have a manual safety similar to that of the 1911 or Beretta M9.
I agree with point number two. Glocks are not safe. Cops have shot themselves holstering their Glocks. But point 1??? Maybe he was headed somewhere after breakfast or was someplace where he might need it before breakfast. Or he just might be exercising his right to protect his wife and himself. You NEVER know when or where trouble will find you.
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DA/SA guns are all I will ever carry! With proper practice, you can be just as fast and accurate flipping off your safety and having a long pull on your first shot.
Glad to hear you're OK though!
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Glocks are perfectly safe. all you who claim otherwise should move to California. your double-standards and lame stereotyping would fit perfectly there.
there are hundreds of posts about how this or that holster can move a 1911 safety into the fire position as well... that does not make the 1911 unsafe. well... maybe to you guys it would, lol.

however, this is exactly why i prefer kydex for IWB (which is effectively what a "over the pants, under the belt" hostler is). leather crushed and deforms. plain and simple.

while i normally hate the term "accidental discharge" (as opposed to negligent discharge)... if there was ever an example of something that leans towards "accident" this would be it.

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I'm not saying glocks, or any striker style weapons are unsafe by any means. Read my quote... I just feel an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of regret. If i was in theater, or a LEO, I'd rather have a glock in a kydex hip or waiste holster than any other gun. They ALWAYS go bang! But for civilian concealed carry, i just think the DA/SA style is the best way to go, just my 2 cents...
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that was more aimed at Redleg and Rifleman who specifically claimed Glocks were unsafe (and used other idiots who shot themselves as proof). as for LEO being an exception... they are not as well trained in firearms as many would assume.
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