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Old July 18th, 2016, 07:16 AM   #1
 
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Been muzzle swept recently? What happened?

I went by a local pawn shop recently, never been in there before, just to look around and see if there were any deals available. As I walk in the door, the guy behind the counter is handing a pistol to a man in front of the counter about 30 feet away. The guy behind the counter looks at me and says hello, I say hello back. Counter guy asks if he can help me, I say Im just looking.

The man in front of the counter holds the pistol up about stomach height and turns in my direction while pulling back on the slide. Hes looking down at the pistol and the muzzle is pointed at me. I loudly say, WHOA! and step backwards a few feet. The pistol guy looks up, realizes what he has done and says..................




"Its not loaded", with a kind of "what are you, stupid or something" look on his face, like I'M the idiot and the pistol is still pointed in my general direction as he fiddles with it . I turned instantly without another word and left.

Anybody else have any run-ins with similar people?



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Sorry I would have 'Cut Loose' on the Counter Guy.
Now this is just My Opinion but, He has the Responsibility as an Range Officer on a Firing Line.
Would be reporting it to the Owner. Very Poor Bisness Practice.

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Yep, went into a local store to buy some targets. The Bozo behind the counter was pointing a revolver at the door. I wrote it off as the resident moron at work. This jerk did not realize that he was "bought and paid for." Meaning if somebody walked through the door who was armed and felt their life was threatened this little drama could have had a different outcome. He quickly put the revolver down. I bought my targets and left.
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Not yet and hope I never do have that experience.
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I was in another state for a nephew's wedding and stopped in a local shop to look around. Apparently a family run business as there were a couple of kids running loose behind the counters and a woman who I assume was their mother. Mom turned her back to put some stuff on a shelf and junior (looked maybe 9 or 10) reached in a case and pulled out a semi auto hand gun that was equipped with a red laser. He then proceeded to aim the gun at the woman putting the red dot on her back, her neck, her head, etc. with a devilish grin on his face. I yelled at the kid to stop, put it down immediately, never point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot, etc. The woman turned around and looked at me like I had lost my mind. I think I said "You people are idiots!" and walked out. That's not the only time I've felt uncomfortable in a gun shop but certainly the worst I've witnessed.
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Not a single gun shop in our area that behaves that way, not even Big 5...
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Yes, but not recently. I don't react well to it either.
The most memorable one was by a French soldier guarding a Paris train station with an auto pistol. He swept the crowd and me as he walked around the perimeter.

I calmly (I'm in a foreign country) told him not to point the pistol at me. I pointed down and up. He just looked at me but on the next sweep his muzzle control was excellent.

He looked at me again and I nodded.
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To the OP that had to be scary idiots like that guy seems to me was never trained in gun safety!!! Guy must be on a steady diet of dumb pills. plus the pawn shop owner should have been watching better as well you did the right thing!
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Over the last 6-8 years the Mexican Government has had patrol boats in the near Mexican coastal waters...I live in San Diego and have fished the waters below San Diego for years..used to be a pleasure...I quit a few years ago....health and also the hassle of fishing a private boat in Mexico...it got to be fairly common to be approached by a panga boat or an inflatable hard bottom boat with a half dozen "kids" in uniforms and carrying AR's...they came to the boats to "check papers", etc...frequently while along side the ones not engaged in the actual check would stand idly with their AR's sort of "swinging" back and forth..on several occasions I pointed it out and asked that they not do that...it was no problem and usually the "Jefe" told them to put the guns down when they saw we were not an issue but the first few minutes it was fairly common to get swept and no question..they were loaded.

Only time I really got angry was when the Coast Guard had their "go fast" inflatable with a 30 cal mounted on the bow...they stopped us in the channel and wanted to board and check documents..we agreed and one of the guys carrying an AR slipped and fell and the barrel ended up pointed right at my head....I jumped back out of the way and 2 guys pointed their weapons at me...we had a very sharp and direct discussion and I reported it to the base here and got a written apology....scared the whiz out of me.
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Gun stores and gun shows are the most common places I see poor gun handling. I don't get too uncomfortable when the clerk hands the gun to the idiot customer. When the customer brings the gun in the shop or picks up the gun from a store rack, I get very nervous. It's the same bad gun handling but when I see the clerk clear the gun before handing it to the idiot customer, I feel a little better.
That doesn't excuse the behavior but it's what I've come to deal with.

Now, I've been on the receiving end of criticism about gun handling as well. I'm very safe with guns but I got a glare one time when shouldering my shotgun to check a new front bead. I checked the gun, didn't sweep the muzzle across anyone and pointed the gun at the upper corner of the room in a small shop. The patron standing behind me thought I had committed some sin. He didn't approve and I didn't care.

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I've been muzzle swept by a shotgun at Dick's a few years back by a young guy with a backwards hat. That may have been my last time I visited Dick's.
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Twice I can remember going "Oh, $#!T!!!!"

First time I was new to Federal Protective Service. Rookies were on the range filling the holes in the annual quals groups. There were a couple of us were shooters and the training officers were using us as Range Officers. I had a very inept female officer missed the "fire" whistle and fired upon hearing the "cease fire" whistle. I yelled "cease fire" and she did a 180 and said "what" all the while with her weapon pointed at me. I dropped to the ground and started digging a foxhole with my bare hands!!!

The words that came out of the Training Sgts mouth came from back when he was an Army Marksmanship Unit Sgt.

The second time was at a local bingo hall where an off duty cop working security bent over one of the counters and I turned around to see the muzzle of his piece sticking through the open ended holster on his belt. What ticked me off was the casual attitude of the Supervisor I reported it to. Would have said something to him directly, but he walked off before my brain started functioning again.

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My favorite LGS had some new kid behind the counter one day. Maybe 16 or 17. He thought it was very cool walking around twirling a new Single Six like he was Doc Holiday on Tombstone. I watched him do it several times. And he was just grabbing any revolver out the case and without checking anything, started his little show. He swept several people, but not me. I mentioned it to the owner who got a SLIGHTLY pissed off look on his face and said he would certainly take care of that. I never saw the kid again behind the gun counter. I think it was his Grandson. With behavior like that, he is heading for a DARWIN Award.

Thats the only time in 30+ years I ever seen someone BEHIND the counter in that LGS do something irresponsible. They ALWAYS turn and point the muzzle at the back wall, check the chamber and hand you any firearm open.

Now customers, thats a different story. They recently chained ALL the used racks, so that put a stop to foolish customers. If you want to see a used rifle, they have to come out onto the floor, unlock it, safety check it, then hand it too you, and stand there while your looking. I think that was a good thing.

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Pne gun range I used to go to fairly regularly had several staff members carrying in horizontal shoulder holsters. If you were behind them the gun was pointed at you. I know a glock is safe with a loaded chamber but I never waled behind one of them.
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Only time I can remember is a few years ago at our local indoor range. My wife don't normally shoot but she wanted to try out a 9mm handgun so I took shooting.
It was a Friday night and must of been a date night, because most of all the shooters were young couples renting guns. Me and the boss a were/are old folks (60's at the time) and I was the only one I saw carrying a big black bag full of guns and ammo.
It seemed like every time I looked at some one leaving their shooting stalls, I was covered by a gun. Don't really see this much because most of the folks that shoot at this range have their own guns and know what not to do.
We shot for about a half hour and it was getting super busy...........and more and more doofus where showing up so we left!
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