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Old March 29th, 2015, 05:13 PM   #1
 
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First Stop While Carrying

I guess this is a gun story.

A cop was in full view at a 4-way stop. The car in front of me stopped and proceeded. I pulled up to the stop sign, but couldn't see around the cop car (blocking my view to the right) and came to a full stop (duh, cop car 5 feet from me). As I pulled through the intersection, the cop pulled out behind me and turned on his lights. I was turning left at the next street anyway, so I pulled safely off the road.

Cop: "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

Me: "No, sir"

Cop: "Your front tires did not come to a complete stop until you passed the white line on the road. . . that's the same as running a stop sign".

Me: "Yes sir"

Cop: "May I see your driver's license?"

Me (in my head): "You mean the license in my wallet right next to my Ruger with my new 9 round mag and one in the chamber?"

Me (really): "I have a concealed weapon on my right hip. Can I get out of the car?"

Cop: "Go ahead, but keep your hands where I can see them".

I handed him my driver's license and CC card at the same time. He called it in and everything came back okay, so he let me go with a warning. He did not want to see my gun.

All's well that ends well (even though it was just a boredom stop by the cop, and I had to go past the white line just to see around his car).



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On the NRA website they used to have a video in which they recommended that when stopped like this (routine stop) that you: a) hand the cop your driver's license and CCW permit and b) THEN tell the cop that you have a licensed firearm on you. Not a bad way to do it since by showing him the CCW first the cop is instantly on notice that you are legal.

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On the NRA website they used to have a video in which they recommended that when stopped like this (routine stop) that you: a) hand the cop your driver's license and CCW permit and b) THEN tell the cop that you have a licensed firearm on you.
That would be the order of events that I would use. Mentioning you have a weapon first might make some LEO's assume the worst. And I really couldn't fault him for it.
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I was a little disappointed he did not want to talk shop on the guns.
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I was a little disappointed he did not want to talk shop on the guns.
In the limited discussions I've had with LEOs I'm always a little surprised how few of them *are* gun people. To most it's just another tool to do their job with and even the manufacturer is of little concern to them.

But I do have to comment on why he stopped you. I haven't heard of that level of C.S. since I was a teenager, many, many moons ago. Was there more justification that you're not telling us?
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Was there more justification that you're not telling us?
Yes. I was driving a BMW Z3 sports car.
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I believe in Ohio the correct way to do it is to hand the license and permit to the officer and say something along the lines of "I am legally carrying a firearm on my right hip" and while keeping your hands in plain sight - listen and follow the officer's instructions.

I was going to post that I think the officer was wrong - and that you do not have to stop at the line - but rather at a point where you are able to see oncoming traffic without blocking the intersection - but it looks like the law in Ohio at least does include stipulations regarding lines and crosswalks then a provision regarding cases where there is no line - Lawriter - ORC - 4511.43 Right-of-way rule at through highways, stop signs, yield signs.
Still - I don't see how your front tires crossing the line by a few inches could be considered running the stop sign. Perhaps stopping to far into an intersection or something else - but not running the sign.

The last time I got stopped - prior to owning a firearm or having a CCW - was a number of years ago on New Year's Eve - and the guy pulled me over for not using my turn signal to make a turn from a turn only lane - which I am certain was just a pretense to see if I had been drinking - which I had not.
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. . . I was going to post that I think the officer was wrong - and that you do not have to stop at the line - but rather at a point where you are able to see oncoming traffic without blocking the intersection.
Unless the law in FL has changed, the officer was correct. Back in 1972, I lost points on my driving test for pulling past the white line.

FL law does not require that you declare your gun, but most people agree: If the gun is in your glove box along with your registration - "DECLARE AND DON'T SURPRISE THE LEO". In my case, I didn't want to reach for my wallet which is right under my gun, and accidently reveal the gun without telling the LEO in advance.

Here's a picture of where I should have stopped, then advanced until I could see around the police car.
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. . Mentioning you have a weapon first might make some LEO's assume the worst. And I really couldn't fault him for it.
He asked for my license and complying would have likely revealed my gun. I opted to avoid surprising him. It worked.
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He asked for my license and complying would have likely revealed my gun. I opted to avoid surprising him. It worked.
I guess if you are stopped and there is not enough time to get your licence and CCW permit out of your wallet before the officer get's to your window, you have no choice.
I like the way you handled it.
I probably would have explained why I had to pull over the line to see, but I suspect it would have only aggravated the situation.
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I think he was picking, but...all's well that ends well.

In Texas, and I didn't realize it was different other places, we have a slightly different routine. Our CHL is also associated with our license plates (assuming you are in your own vehicle). When we are pulled over, PD and DPS both run your plates prior to approaching the vehicle so they already know and assume you are. When they approach your vehicle we are to simply have our hands in sight and recommended to be on the steering wheel. I seldom get pulled over, but that last time his first question was, do you have a weapon on you? I have always been fortunate in that all of my interaction with LEs has been routine and non eventful.
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. . . I probably would have explained why I had to pull over the line to see, but I suspect it would have only aggravated the situation.
I suspected I could have aggravated the situation as well. If he would have told me I was a psycho-sexual deviant, I probably would have said "yes sir". . . . Well, it is easier to tell the truth.
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I suspected I could have aggravated the situation as well. If he would have told me I was a psycho-sexual deviant, I probably would have said "yes sir". . . . Well, it is easier to tell the truth.
Ha, ha!
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I know the law in Indiana is you must stop behind the white line (maybe 1 of 1,000 actually does this) and then if you cannot safely pull out, you may roll forward until your line of sight is clear. Since very few people actually do this, it is an easy way to make a stop if they don't like your looks or if they are just irritable.
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