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Old March 30th, 2015, 09:43 AM   #16
 
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I know the law in Indiana is you must stop behind the white line (maybe 1 of 1,000 actually does this) and then if you cannot safely pull out, you may roll forward until your line of sight is clear. Since very few people actually do this, it is an easy way to make a stop if they don't like your looks or if they are just irritable.
You may be statistically correct - "maybe 1 of 1,000 actually [stops behind the white 'stop line']". Well how about making it 100% who actually stop where they are supposed to stop? As a motorcycle rider, when I see the front wheels of the car at the intersection pass the stop line without stopping, I get a sphincter contraction the intensity of which is in direct relation to my proximity to the intersection. Is it really that difficult?
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That white line was a biggie here with the cameras for right turn on red before they were banned.
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I'm glad that your experience turned out well. When I got my first CC license many years ago in Tennessee, I was told (erroneously) that we were required to inform police officers immediately when stopped that we were carrying a firearm. I was 21 at the time and got pulled over many times in the next few years for driving like a guy in his 20's drives. I dutifully informed and was polite and *never* had a good experience. The cops all seemed to feel that I was trying to horn in one their territory by carrying a firearm and went out of their way to antagonize and be belligerent. I was pulled out of the car and disarmed on several occasions. One cop jammed up the 1911 I was carrying so bad trying to clear it or field strip it or something along those lines that I took me half an hour to get it fixed when I got home. Lesson finally learned. I do not tell cops that I'm armed when I get pulled over. If they directly ask me, I will tell them that I am, but until then, I keep my mouth shut.
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I'm glad that your experience turned out well. When I got my first CC license many years ago in Tennessee, I was told (erroneously) that we were required to inform police officers immediately when stopped that we were carrying a firearm. I was 21 at the time and got pulled over many times in the next few years for driving like a guy in his 20's drives. I dutifully informed and was polite and *never* had a good experience. The cops all seemed to feel that I was trying to horn in one their territory by carrying a firearm and went out of their way to antagonize and be belligerent. I was pulled out of the car and disarmed on several occasions. One cop jammed up the 1911 I was carrying so bad trying to clear it or field strip it or something along those lines that I took me half an hour to get it fixed when I got home. Lesson finally learned. I do not tell cops that I'm armed when I get pulled over. If they directly ask me, I will tell them that I am, but until then, I keep my mouth shut.
Not sure how it works or used to work in TN, but next door here in NC the CCP is attached to the drivers license. So once the license is run after a traffic stop, the officer will see the CCP on his computer. If I fail to inform him/her prior to that (initial contact) it can be revoked.

I had my permit less than a week when I was stopped at a very random checkpoint on a rural road in the middle of the day. Who knows why they'd set it up. Anyway I followed the rules: both hands visible on the wheel, informed him that 1) I had a CCP, 2) I had a weapon on me. He couldn't have cared any less, just wanted to see my Drivers license and CCP. That was it.
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I know the law in Indiana is you must stop behind the white line (maybe 1 of 1,000 actually does this) and then if you cannot safely pull out, you may roll forward until your line of sight is clear. Since very few people actually do this, it is an easy way to make a stop if they don't like your looks or if they are just irritable.
Same here in NY. At least in my area of the state.
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I know the law in Indiana is you must stop behind the white line (maybe 1 of 1,000 actually does this) and then if you cannot safely pull out, you may roll forward until your line of sight is clear. Since very few people actually do this, it is an easy way to make a stop if they don't like your looks or if they are just irritable.
White Squirrel...you are correct sir in that in Indiana one must always stop behind the white line first...and then proceed cautiously (carefully) to address any issues pertaining to an adequate line-of-sight. Even if you come to a complete stop, after you've crossed the white line, you can still be ticketed for failure to stop because you failed to stop behind the white line. It's technical...but true!

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On the NRA website they used to have a video in which they recommended that when stopped like this (routine stop) that you: a) hand the cop your driver's license and CCW permit and b) THEN tell the cop that you have a licensed firearm on you. Not a bad way to do it since by showing him the CCW first the cop is instantly on notice that you are legal.
Some states don't require a CCW to conceal in you vehicle.
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My grand daughter was stopped last year, and when she was asked for her drivers license, she told the officer that it was in her purse, along with her firearm. Police said no problem as long as you have a permit. She produced both license and permit, he said he wasn't interested in the pistol.

Ironic part, she was only 18, and got the same ticket for doing the same speed at the same spot as her mother did, 20 years ago.
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This discussion comes up once in a while. The conclusion is generally the same:

1) there is no universal answer.
2) The answer from LEO is: there is no fixed protocol and surprisingly, few have thought it through
3) I have queried a few and found the above to be true here in NH
4) I agree with the 'hand them your lic, reg, and CCP *if you're carrying*. Expect a "Why did you give me this?" response or a 'Thanks for telling me." response.

I always, CCW or not, turn off the car, put the keys on the dash and put both hands on the wheel. Am I a bad guy? No. But I don't want any drama either.
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Know the State Law

All states have different laws on concealed carry, be careful making "universal statements".
Here in Michigan; Quote " Conduct During Encounters with Police
Responsibilities of Individuals With a Concealed Pistol License:
An individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol who is stopped by a police officer (traffic stop or otherwise) while in possession of a pistol shall immediately disclose to the police officer that he or she is carrying a concealed pistol either on their person or in their motor vehicle.".
Most here believe that this requires you to state this immediately, first thing out of your mouth.
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I've had my CHL as called here for 14 years and was first stopped this past April for expired tags. Guilty as sin but we had moved 3 times since the last renewal and I guess DMV could not find me even though I had changed my address with them. Oh well. The trooper asked for my DL but I told him I have a CHL and I am carrying. He seemed to could not have cared less. I was a little disappointed.

It turned out OK on all fronts. Got my tags renewed in about 30 minutes and the judge reduced the ticket to a warning.
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It happened to me

My wife and I were taking our daughter and son-in-law to OKC to the airport. After dark we were going through a small town (one stoplight) in which the power was out due to a recent ice storm. Since there was no power, the stoplight was out as well. They had put a 4-way stop sign at ground level in the center of the intersection and I didn't see it. About the time my family told me that I had just run a stop sign, the police lighted me up.

I stopped the truck, got out my wallet, rolled down my window and put my hands on the steering wheel. When the young police officer came to the window I told him "Officer, I have a handgun license and I am carrying a firearm. It's in the console." I handed him my driver's license and handgun license. He said "Thank you for disclosing that." (Though Oklahoma law requires that LEO be informed at "first opportunity.")

He told me that I had run a stop sign. I told him that my family had just informed me of that and that I just hadn't seen it. He wished us a safe trip and sent us on our way. He was very friendly and didn't seem the least concerned about the gun. His casual attitude may have to do with the fact that many Oklahomans legally carry. Of course it probably didn't hurt that I am an old guy and probably appear harmless.

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Kind of a ridiculous traffic stop, huh? Then comes the "hands where I can see them" lol. What model Ruger were you carrying?
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