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MolonLabe · March 13th, 2013, 04:15 PM

Ive been looking to buy a Mosin ever since getting my C&R and have narrowed it down to two different candidates.

The first one is a M91/30 with a "sniper turned down bolt"
its describes as
"Standard M91/30 rifle fitted with original sniper turned down bolt handle (designed to allow clearance of the scope when mounted). Comes with sling, bayonet and two cell ammo pouch. Very good to excellent condition. Curio/Relic."

The second one is a "Russian M91/30 Mosin Nagant Rifle W/ Hex Receiver"

It says they have Tula, Izhevsk, and even some Dragoons. Will be picked randomly from a number of them.

They are both about the same price at 170 shipped.
Just wondering if these are good deals and which one you would select and why.
Please bear with me I am very new to the Mosin Nagant scene as this would be my first one.
Thanks for the advice in advance.

Geek · March 13th, 2013, 04:25 PM

The turned down bolt is incorrect unless the rifle is a sniper rifle. A sniper rifle is substantially more expensive, so this is an ordinary rifle with an incorrect bolt. As a collector, I advise you pass on that one. The hex receivers are more desirable than the later round receivers and the price is consistent with what they are going for. You might inquire regarding the specific year. It should be between 1930 and the late 1930s.

The Dragoon is a different model and I suspect would carry a different price. The most common arsenals are Ishveck and Tula. Tulas are a bit less common but nor enough so to be worth more. You should get the sling, etc. No matter what you go with.

I hope that helps a bit.

MolonLabe · March 13th, 2013, 05:03 PM

Thanks that most definitely did help. I ordered the hex receiver.
http://www.classicfirearms.com/c-r-e...gn=3-13-13_m91

draidt · March 13th, 2013, 05:19 PM

I ordered the same today as well.

MolonLabe · March 13th, 2013, 06:39 PM

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I ordered the same today as well.

Very nice! It will be interesting to see what we get.

sonicrete · March 13th, 2013, 07:16 PM

In case you do not know go to 7.62X54R.net You can read yourself silly about all the variations and what to look for.

MolonLabe · March 13th, 2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicrete

In case you do not know go to 7.62X54R.net You can read yourself silly about all the variations and what to look for.

Funny you share that as I found it not 15 minutes ago. I have to wake up in 6 hours and it looks like ill be mighty tired tommorow. Oh well.

Sergei Mosin · March 14th, 2013, 01:19 AM

Congratulations! Mosins are addictive - this may be your first, but it almost certainly won't be your last. Be sure to let us know what you get.

On the Dragoon - a great many Dragoon rifles were brought up to M91/30 standards, mostly during the post-WWII refurbishment programs. These are generally known as ex-Dragoons or updated Dragoons. They are what Classic means by "Dragoon era rifles." They can be distinguished from rifles built as 91/30s by the barrel date or, if the date is in the range that overlaps Dragoon and 91/30 production, by a gap between the rear sight base and the barrel.

brimic · March 14th, 2013, 04:43 AM

If the 91/30 with the turned down bolt is an 'ex-sniper' it will have holes welded shut on the left side of the receiver under the woodline. If you see one of these, snap it up.

Geek · March 14th, 2013, 06:48 AM

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If the 91/30 with the turned down bolt is an 'ex-sniper' it will have holes welded shut on the left side of the receiver under the woodline. If you see one of these, snap it up.

I agree but I would be very surprised to see that for the price mentioned.

The turned down bolt is more likely the first step of someone who intended to mount a modern scope. If that's your intent, that would be fine, but as a collector, it simply is incorrect and unless the original bolt is included, you can't switch it back and your numbers won't match. Basically this one has taken the first step toward becoming a bubba rifle instead of a collector piece. Since the OP is a C&R holder, I assume he wants collector pieces.

MolonLabe · March 14th, 2013, 01:55 PM

I'm not sure but this is the link to the turned down bolt Mosin...it says the bolt is original ..don't know if its true but here's the link --> http://link.tapatalk.com/api/click?k...c76ea557fb80f9

brimic · March 17th, 2013, 05:55 PM

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The turned down bolt is more likely the first step of someone who intended to mount a modern scope.

The Russians usually don't waste materials. If they took a turned down bolt off a sniper needing a rework, you can rest assured that the bolt is going to be reused either in the same rifle or another. I've seen them for sale by several importers/ wholesalers over the years.

303lithgow · March 18th, 2013, 11:52 AM

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I'm not sure but this is the link to the turned down bolt Mosin...it says the bolt is original ..don't know if its true but here's the link --> *

Wow I had no idea those snipers were going for that they are asking. I wonder if they are real snipers or recent builds?

Sergei Mosin · March 18th, 2013, 01:34 PM

The RGuns snipers are the genuine article.

303lithgow · March 18th, 2013, 02:26 PM

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The RGuns snipers are the genuine article.

So are the rifles origional sniper rifles or just an average pick with a vintage scope added on a new made mount? The mount on these is what is the hardest to find. If these are reproduction mounts then the price seems high and if they are orgional then the price seems low. And the number available really makes me wonder.