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Old November 11th, 2012, 08:37 AM   #16
 
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Interesting that you used the term "Forced March" I was not familiar with that, but one of the gun descriptions included that wording in their 'ad'.

QUOTE from Auction List--

Lot # 204

No. 4 MKI Enfield, .303 British, forced matched, excellent bore. Cond: 80%

Sold for: $175.00



Lot # 222

Enfield No. 4 Mk 2 (F), .303 British caliber, import marked, good bore, matching visible numbers. Cond: 70%

Sold for: $180.00


Enfield Sht. L.E. III*

Lot # 227

Enfield Sht. L.E. III*, .303 British caliber, B.S.A. Co. 1936, mis-matched, good bore and wood, Arab marked stock disc. Cond: 75%

Sold for: $180.00


Enfield No. 1 Mk 3* R.F.I.
Lot # 238

Enfield No. 1 Mk 3* R.F.I., .303 British caliber. Good bore. 1955 date. Import marked. Mis-matched. Cond: 70%

Sold for: $180.00


Lot # 275

No. 4 MKI* Enfield Long Branch 1942, .303 British, matching visible numbers, excellent bore. Cond: 80%
Sold for $210.00




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[QUOTE=Mayor Al;771923]Interesting that you used the term "Forced March" I was not familiar with that, but one of the gun descriptions included that wording in their 'ad'. . .

"Forced Match" in regards to the Enfields is a term used to discribe the practice of numbering or renumbering a bolt serialized to another rifle by applying a number that matches the rifle's original serial number on the stock socket or by renumbering the receiver to match the bolt. This is often very apparent when the renumbering is done with an electric "pencil" engraver and not stamped.
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Interesting that you used the term "Forced March" I was not familiar with that, but one of the gun descriptions included that wording in their 'ad'. . .

"Forced Match" in regards to the Enfields is a term used to discribe the practice of numbering or renumbering a bolt serialized to another rifle by applying a number that matches the rifle's original serial number on the stock socket or by renumbering the receiver to match the bolt. This is often very apparent when the renumbering is done with an electric "pencil" engraver and not stamped.
Correct either by an electric pencil or if stamped the font and size will be differant than the receiver serial number. I think the Commonwealth nations were the most active for putting cartouches on rifles and bayonets.
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Correct either by an electric pencil or if stamped the font and size will be differant than the receiver serial number. I think the Commonwealth nations were the most active for putting cartouches on rifles and bayonets.
My 1954 "Irish Contract" Faz No.4 Mk2 came with a bayonet and sheath serialized to the rifle as well as were the rear of the bolt handle, forestock and magazine. It is apparently an unissued rifle and only exhibits storage "dings". These were on the market back in the early 1990s and I wish I had bought more than one at the time. They were available "in the wrap" as stored but I chose to pay less for a specimen "out of the wrapper" and in about 95 to 97 % condition due to the minor dings in the wood.





A little history on the Irish Contract Rifles:

"About 40,000 No. 4 Mk. 2′s were manufactured to order for the Irish Republic, but the order was never delivered for political reasons. In 1956, the last British Lee-Enfield rolled off the assembly line. The machinery was sold to India, where the 7.62x51mm ‘Ishapore’ Lee-Enfields were later manufactured.



What makes this particular Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.2 an ‘obscure’ object of desire: it’s in abso-fracking-lutely 100% condition, unfired, and as clean and bright as the day it was born in the Fazakerly arsenal in Liverpool in 1954. The beechwood furniture is smooth, bright and unblemished, and the steel is either a deep smooth black or in the white and impeccably preserved. You will not work a smoother rifle bolt in your life.
A supply of these came State-side in the mid-1990s. Priced at around $400, they didn’t stick around long. A 100% example with matching serial numbers books for around $1,000 today."

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Is the magazine serial numbered to the rifle? Did it come with two?
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Is the magazine serial numbered to the rifle? Did it come with two?
Yes, the mag is serial numbered to the rifle but it only came with one.
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Yes, the mag is serial numbered to the rifle but it only came with one.
That is rare. I've only seen a couple in my life that matched.
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That is rare. I've only seen a couple in my life that matched.
This is an image of the serial numbered magazine that matches the serial number of the rifle:



The serial numbers on my No. 5 are also all matching, including the one stamped on the magazine.
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This is an image of the serial numbered magazine that matches the serial number of the rifle:



The serial numbers on my No. 5 are also all matching, including the one stamped on the magazine.
Wow a No 5! I have one that is all matching except for the magazine. Do you have the bayonet for the 5?
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Wow a No 5! I have one that is all matching except for the magazine. Do you have the bayonet for the 5?
I have a bayonet and sheath for the No. 5, but they didn't come with the rifle.
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I have a bayonet and sheath for the No. 5, but they didn't come with the rifle.
They look great on the rifle. Is your bayonet chromed?
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No, its not chromed. I don't believe I've ever seen a chromed bayonet for a No. 5.
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No, its not chromed. I don't believe I've ever seen a chromed bayonet for a No. 5.
Mine is chromed. I've only seen a couple No 5 bayonets and both were chromed. Not sure why.
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