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View Poll Results: Sight Shooting or Point Shooting. How Do You Train?
Sight Shooting Only for Self Defense 28 10.98%
Point Shooting Only for Self Defense 18 7.06%
I Believe In & Practice Both 209 81.96%
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Old February 5th, 2014, 03:17 PM   #16
 
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We practice both ways .
We also practice with both hands , week hand , strong hand .
We also practice reloads with snap caps and speed loaders while watching tv .
We will also practice by holding gun in lap and pick a spot in the room then point activate the laser and see how close you are .
I do the exact same as 1stMarine,, you never know if something will happen to your strong hand, or something else to where your main shooting style will have to totally change for a gun fight,,,,,,,,,,,



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Old February 5th, 2014, 04:08 PM   #17
 
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I practice both it because who knows what the future holds?
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I practice both methods, I believe that practice is the most important thing...JM2C
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I had to vote the way it currently is (aimed shooting) but I really want to get into practicing both methods of defense shooting. I do practice both hands though in all stances.
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Thanks guys for some great input so far

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I practice both it because who knows what the future holds?
Exactly right. While the likelihood is that very few if any of us will ever need to draw our firearm in a self defense situation, being prepared to do so is essential.

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We will likely only perform to the level to which we have practiced.

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I had to vote the way it currently is (aimed shooting) but I really want to get into practicing both methods of defense shooting. I do practice both hands though in all stances.
Larry, I suspect that few if any start out point shooting. Everyone that I know who point shoots today (including me), started out sight shooting and decided at some point in their evolution to add point shooting to their repertoire.
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I would practice point shooting but I have never been taught or had it sufficiently explained to me.

And which would actually be better in a real fight? There is probably no set answer to that.
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I have since hit asprin in the air with the BB gun and 22. Not 100% with either, but its very fun to do. My dad got a kick out of watching that asprin turn to powder.
When I was a boy, my father had read an article on "instinct shooting" and removed the sights from my BB gun. We started with whiffle balls and then to 35mm film cans, golf balls, golf tees and aspirins, all in a summer with increasing hits. He proved it worked and I had a gas. Never kept it up though but wonder if it could be picked up again, like riding a bicycle...

Shooting is fun however its done.
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I would practice point shooting but I have never been taught or had it sufficiently explained to me.

And which would actually be better in a real fight? There is probably no set answer to that.
WheelyGuy ... In the broadest definition, point shooting is simply the process of engaging the target in an instinctive way without benefit of using the firearm's sights. In practical application point shooting takes on a variety of forms, variations and wrinkles. While I'm normally not a big proponent of Wikipedia , the Wikipedia page on Point Shooting is actually pretty accurate on the subject (with good references) and should serve as a good springboard to get you a little more familiar with the concept, variations and merits.

As to your question on which method is "better", while very subjective and situation dependent, I certainly lean heavily in the direction of point shooting for encounters of 10 yards or less (YMMV).
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I never really thought of this. I guess I practice point shooting with my LCP, since it really has no sights. I do use the sights on my M&P because they are very noticable. Gonna try just point shooting next range trip.
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For defense/combat scenarios, it would only be (very) prudent to be proficient at both. I know it might sound hokie to some, but I played pro paintball(NPPL league) all over the country for yrs and yrs(83-96. after retiring from the tourny scene, I still played routinely until 07. worked in the industry after retiring from my real job in 03). We were national champs twice(84 and 95) with countless regional and state champ titles over the yrs. Point shooting is all one does in such a sport(no one ever used sights. too slow. as well as not being any more accurate since its paintballs with a steep trajectory that were talking about). I'd personally routinely shoot 1400+ rds per 20 minute(altho, some games are over in 1-2 minutes) game. 35k rounds of paint, per national tournament(100+ international teams, 3 day event, $10-12k for 1st), was the norm(35k was how much given per event by our paint mfg sponsor) when I retired.

We'd often maintain point shooting skills during the week by throwing paintballs in the air and shooting them. One could sometimes hit'm time after time. Otherwise, we ran drills/scrimmaged weekly. Sometimes flying to other locations just to practice against specific teams. After millions and millions of rounds, one gets pretty damn good at instinct shooting. If they couldn't, they were in the wrong sport.

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I heavily practice both. A silhouette that is torso shaped does the trick.

I don't use those terms. I prefer "target shooting" and "defensive shooting". As someone else said with a lcp, my pocket gun, a colt mustang has almost the worse sights known to man. It is a point and shoot type of gun. It is fun to target shoot with it out to 50 yards on the gong and hearing the tings.

Practice is all we honest folk can do (non thug gangbangers). For typical "defense shooting" I practice weak shoulder forward stances, as well as strong shoulder Forward. As someone else said, you don't know what the future holds. You can't possibly be a good shot, defensive or target, with only one stance and shooting the same target. Practicing on the move, duck and cover type engagement, etc.

So to answer the question, yes some of us do both. My Ruger MK is a target gun. Paper puncher and steel ringer. My sub compact carry guns spend more Time as dedicated point and shoot firearms. Since I won't possibly ever conceal carry my AR, I still like the point and shoot, or pray and spray 30 round dumps.

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We will likely only perform to the level to which we have practiced.
Actually your level will be about 50% under stress.

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Very true statement, let me ask this: How many practice shooting if your grabbed from behind around the neck ? can you shoot with the gun placed at your side firing back at the BG, there is a correct way to do it. How about being grabbed from behind at the waste ? you can't get the gun around on your side. do you practice bending over and shooting between your legs
to deliver a crippling shot to the foot or shin ?
Do you practice with someone tugging at your shirt or jacket from behind, as in a terrified bystander seeking help situation ?
Control of your weapon is paramount, If you ever get into a self defense situation that requires a ballistic solution, trust me you wont feel an overabundance of control.
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I never really thought of this ... Gonna try just point shooting next range trip.
PS ... We'll be interested to hear how it goes
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I think this is a very good point. You probably wont have the time to get them in your sights.
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I almost would like to change my vote to point shooting. I do that most. Every training class I have ever taken tells me I will rarely ever have a chance to get into a perfect combat stance.

Even laying on my back, as if I just got shoved to the ground I have been taught to pull, point
Same here. After I voted, I remembered in the past drawing and firing from the waist at 5 yards. I was reminded that I need to practice more at present with that technique. I have also practiced on my back, but the club I belong to doesn't allow prone or laying on the back so I guess I'll have to do that at my hunting lease.

I do practice moving forward, backward, right and left and barracades.
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