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This is a discussion on Do we tell LEOs that we're carrying during a traffic stop? within the CCW forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; I believe that video was from Ohio, where they do have a ''Duty to inform'' Law. Here in Pa we are not a ''Duty to ...


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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:12 AM   #16
 
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I believe that video was from Ohio, where they do have a ''Duty to inform'' Law.
Here in Pa we are not a ''Duty to inform'' State and I would not even bring it up unless I was asked or asked to get out of the vehicle.



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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:12 AM   #17
 
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Here in Virginia when you get a CCW permit that imformation goes to the DMV and when a cop pulls you over and gives the dispatcher your tag # if you have a CCW that information comes up and the LEO knows you do have a permit and might be carrying
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:20 AM   #18
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One thing I started doing about two years ago when I get stopped, I pull off the road until my car or truck is on the grass or as far over as I can go. The LEOs always keep their squad cars a bit offset when behind you. The center of their grille is usually about even with your driver's side taillight. Anyone ever see a LEO talking with someone who's still in their car? The LEO's butt is usually in the traffic lane.

I was stopped by a State Trooper doing 70 last spring around 8:00 a.m. in the morning. It was a state highway, and I pulled my car all the way onto the grass. His entire squad car was completely on the shoulder, and he still was able to keep their usual offset parking configuration. He took a look at my license and let me go! Of course, he told me to please slow it down and take it easy. I couldn't believe it.

There are a lot of LEOs getting hit on the road while they talk during a traffic stop.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:25 AM   #19
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He does have the right to disarm you if he chooses for the duration of the stop then give your firearm over to you when finished
If you don't at least let him know you are carrying...if he finds out later it will look to him as if you were keeping it from him and will change his entire attitude toward you.
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My thoughts are that is precisely why if it isn't required by statute then it's none of his business. If he asks then you cannot lie but I am not about to shoot him so there is no need to disarm me.

If he somehow finds out you didn't inform and you are within your legal rights then get over it. I am not the enemy I am just a private citizen who chooses to arm himself. I have noticed that in many places it is a them our us with LEO's and that is just wrong. There isn't a one of them I wouldn't try to assist if they needed it.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:27 AM   #20
 
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ALWAYS let a cop know you're carrying. You don't want any surprises during a traffic stop. Also, I'm sure the cop will appreciate the fact that you let him/her know.
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...... where. I feel it's a matter of respect and consideration of the police officer and should be done regardless if it's the law in my state or not.
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Why is it that members of this forum that are LEO's never respond to these type of threads?? Maybe I am the only one that wonders about that.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:43 AM   #23
 
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Hand your DL and your CCP together. It will put yours and the LEO's mind at ease.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:49 AM   #24
 
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I live in MS. I was stopped at a road block recently. The officer ran my drivers license and tag on the radio and I could hear the dispatcher saying the license was valid, the tag was registered to my truck, I had no warrants and that I was a concealed carry license holder. The officer asked me if I had a weapon in the truck and I replied yes. She said it would have been nice if you would have told me. I asked her if I should have given her my gun permit when I gave her my DL. She said yes. No further activity regard to the firearm.

It is legal in MS to have a loaded firearm in your house, business or car without a permit. Their is no established protocol for informing an officer when you are stopped in your car. I am not required to divilge anything. Even though I am not required to inform the officer I have a firearm I can see there side of it. I don't think it is appropriate to say "I have a gun" when they approach your car. In my town that could be taken the wrong way and get you shot. From now on I will hand them my gun permit when I hand over the DL.
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In VA, it's not required, but think it's just a good idea. CCW's are supposed to be on the 'same team' as the LEO's so being respectful by being open about it is good IMO.

Like others have said, if it happens to me, I'll just hand him my license and permit at the same time and he or she can decide how they want to handle it.
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I respect LEOs, but I have questions. Do we have to tell a LEO during a traffic stop that we are carrying? Our PTC instructor said "No," but is it different for different states?

Fast forward to 4:20 to see when the CCW part of the traffic stop happens. About 10:50 the LEO tells the man that he's guilty of a felony for CCW. At about 12:00 the LEO tells the man that he should have pulled his Glock 40 and put 10 rounds in him for not telling him that he's carrying. He goes on to tell the man that his partner would have been a good witness as he executed him for being stupid.

NO. you do not unless they ask or are going to put you in custody. I did once and only once and ended up spread across the Hood of my car cuffed. After sometime I was uncuffed and given my gun back minus the bullets. And told to go in the morning to the station to get them. Officer safety is what I was told. I keep my mouth shut and told him ill see him tomorrow at the station.

Little did he how in the wrong he was. My uncle was on the same department he was and two other uncle's were motorcycle officers in the city and I personally knew his captain and chief as close friend of the family. Next morning I showed up and asked to speak with the captain we walked right by the patrolman that took my ammo and he asked if I came to pick it my I sad nope I'm going to see the captain. Captain asked what's going on I told him the patrolman stopped me last night and spread me across my Hood cuffed and finally gave me my gun back but took my ammunition and didn't give me a receipt.

To end a long story cop got chewed up but the captain , apologized to me and in was told that I did Not by law need to tell him I was carrying. And asked him if I had the dome light on window down and hands in plain sight when he approached my car? He admitted I did and was that appreciated? He said yes again. Captain then asked so why did you then remove him from the car cuff and search him when he volunteered that he was permitted and carrying a gun? Did you ask to see his permit? Poor Guy was getting blasted and felt a little sorry but not that sorry I wasn't grinning.

End... got my ammunition. Office was told to stay away from me. Even if I ran a red light in front of him he was to only pull me over a await another unit to arrive before approaching me. Like I said I had personal relationships and family in the local departments and I never name dropped for my youthful traffic infractions (2) I even paid the not full stop take started this whole mess. But this Guy was wrong on multiple levels. So NO I AIN'T TELLING.

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In Michigan, if you are carrying concealed and/or in a vehicle, you are required to inform the officer.
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My thoughts are that is precisely why if it isn't required by statute then it's none of his business. If he asks then you cannot lie but I am not about to shoot him so there is no need to disarm me.

If he somehow finds out you didn't inform and you are within your legal rights then get over it. I am not the enemy I am just a private citizen who chooses to arm himself. I have noticed that in many places it is a them our us with LEO's and that is just wrong. There isn't a one of them I wouldn't try to assist if they needed it.
My statement was to show the LEO respect...YOU might know you aren't going to shoot them but THEY do not...If you make their job safer and show some respect they will likely be easier on you......
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Why is it that members of this forum that are LEO's never respond to these type of threads?? Maybe I am the only one that wonders about that.
I'll answer that, speaking only for myself. Many times, we find ourselves getting slammed on Internet forums, regardless of the thread involved. Don't get me wrong; plenty of good folks [many of whom are here on the Ruger forum] out there support us, and we genuinely do appreciate that. It's just that, whenever a LEO gets involved in threads pertaining to LE, he can quite often find himself arguing with several people who just flat out hate LEOs. When you're outnumbered and shouted down like that often enough, pretty soon you find yourself pretty reluctant to get involved in certain discussions. The "us vs. them" thing can rear it's ugly head quite easily on the Internet, and sometimes, you just gotta pick your battles.
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Having said that, here's my take on the OP: The officer in Canton handled that encounter completely wrong. On the occasions that I've pulled over CCW folks, the traffic stop has often turned into a friendly roadside chat about a common hobby, rather than whatever violation was committed. Heck, the last lady I pulled over who had a CCW permit wasn't even carrying her gun...and I gently, politely chided her, saying with a smile: "It can't help you if you don't have it with you." I don't worry about the good citizen who has gone through the red tape to obtain that CCW permit. I worry far more about the street punk with the stolen Lorcin .380 tucked in his waistband.
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