Pocket Carry QuestionThis is a discussion on Pocket Carry Question within the CCW forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; The LCR, as with most (if not all) DAO revolvers is absolutley safe. It cannot fire until the trigger is pulled. They are not magic ...  |
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August 20th, 2012, 11:09 AM
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The LCR, as with most (if not all) DAO revolvers is absolutley safe. It cannot fire until the trigger is pulled. They are not magic as some people seem to think.
This impression of the "magic" or "live" gun is even stoked by knowledgeable gun folks.
I was at a gun range a week ago (in WA) and had three guns on the bench at my shooting station. All were open with open cylinders plainly visible and unloaded. Two were pointed directly down range at my target area. One (a GP100) was pointed slightly off....still down range, but at an angle of 30 degrees from the line to my target. The Range Master called me on it and made me turn that GP100 to point directly at my target. I didn't ask why. But I assume he thought it was, somehow, going to load itself, cock itself and fire itself, all without changing direction in which it was pointed and fire across the range at someone else's target. What other possible reason???
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August 20th, 2012, 11:29 AM
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Ummm Thought just occurred..Is not God there to protect the others from harm? <G>
wPm
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August 20th, 2012, 11:33 AM
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I pocket carry as well..but before entering a place that I have to sit down..I switch it from pocket to cross draw in waist band..Simple solution for me..
wPm
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August 20th, 2012, 01:41 PM
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When I carry in a horizontal shoulder holster, my muzzle is pointed behind me, yet I never worry that my gun will "go off" and hit someone behind me. I don't worry because I know that the holster covers the trigger guard and that there is no way the gun can fire without pressing the trigger (unless I burst into flame, in which case anyone standing behind me had better look out!).
Assuming that your pocket holster covers the trigger guard and retains your gun adequately, there is nothing to worry about. Unless you've been very, very bad and are likely to burst into flame in church......
Jim
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August 20th, 2012, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ECpackers i personally don't understand pocket carry. might as well just have the gun in your pocket, as the holster is just a more padded pocket. and with those little LCp/LCR guns, theres no way they rub on you as annoyingly as your car keys would. lol | I never even thought of a pocket holster being for comfort...
I would say the purpose of it would be to cover the trigger.
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August 20th, 2012, 02:27 PM
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I pocket carry a Ruger LCP and use the De Santis and I carry with a round in the chamber. Never had a worry about the guns position or if it would fire while being carried, and its darn near impossible to detect while I carry. The holster will not allow access to the trigger until the gun is drawn from it so there is no chance of the gun going off while in the holster. For the most part the muzzle is most always pointing down while its in the pocket unless I'm seated, even then its usually pointed down. And its a double action only, the trigger pull is long by design for a reason.
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August 20th, 2012, 02:29 PM
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Thanks for the comments (most of them anyway  ). I don't believe for a instant that my DAO LCR is going to somehow fire itself. I bought the LCR with the idea of pocket carry since I live in a hot climate (SW FL) where I wear mostly shorts and a T-shirt all year round. With the work I do I can't always carry my SR40C IWB or OWB. This was my first time to try the pocket carry in public and it just hadn't dawned on me that when I sat down I would be muzzle sweeping anybody. I guess some of us had particular gun safety rules drilled into our heads and now feel a little guilty whenever we violate them, particularly the mantras about always point a gun in a safe direction, never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot, etc. This is MY hangup - it may not be yours.
I did not say pocket carry was unsafe. I was saying it bothered me to point a loaded gun at someone in front of me when I sat down. I would guess the person in front of me would prefer I shifted the barrel direction down too. It seems some here feel like I do and do the same "pocket shift" or switch to a different mode of carry when sitting.
"Miami rigs" or "jackass rigs" are available with vertical orientation for just this same reason - avoiding the muzzle sweep.
If I muzzle sweep my own foot or my own butt I'm OK with that. Arguably still violating the same commandments but at least it's MY foot or butt in the line of fire.
I would agree pocket carry is going to be a hard draw when sitting. But all in all it seems like very good concealment and I'm not ready to give up on it. That's why I posed the topic in the first place - to see if I was an odd duck for having these concerns or what others did who may feel the same way. I appreciate the feedback and helpful suggestions.
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August 20th, 2012, 02:48 PM
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#23 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by 351mustang65 I never even thought of a pocket holster being for comfort...
I would say the purpose of it would be to cover the trigger. | I agree and to allow a snag free draw.
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August 20th, 2012, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Waveform I guess some of us had particular gun safety rules drilled into our heads and now feel a little guilty whenever we violate them, particularly the mantras about always point a gun in a safe direction, never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot, etc. This is MY hangup - it may not be yours. | I fully agree with this. Never point a gun at anything you don't want to kill. But I've always felt that means a gun in your hands. A gun in a holster or pocket is another matter. Your not pointing it and it can't fire until someone pulls the trigger. No danger until it is in your hands.
I've also always been of the opinion a pocket holster is more for keeping the gun in the proper position, so it doesn't rotate in your pocket and make it impossible to withdraw. The pocket itself covers the trigger and indeed, the complete LCR and a DAO revolver is really hard and long to pull the trigger. IMO no holster is necessary with DAO revolver in a pocket except to keep the gun in place.
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August 20th, 2012, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack D I fully agree with this. Never point a gun at anything you don't want to kill. But I've always felt that means a gun in your hands. | +1
I pocket carry my KLCR in my jeans and also in my cargo shorts inside a Remora holster. It is a pocket full in my jeans and would be nearly impossible to draw from a seated position, in the cargo shorts however it is completely the opposite.
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August 20th, 2012, 06:49 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Greenville, Texas
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I pocket carry my LCR 358/38 with no problems at all. I have no problems presenting it from my pocket....why?.....because I PRACTICE that way!
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August 20th, 2012, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack D ...I've also always been of the opinion a pocket holster is more for keeping the gun in the proper position, so it doesn't rotate in your pocket and make it impossible to withdraw. The pocket itself covers the trigger and indeed, the complete LCR and a DAO revolver is really hard and long to pull the trigger. IMO no holster is necessary with DAO revolver in a pocket except to keep the gun in place. | One of the functions of the pocket holster is to keep stuff - like car keys, pens and your fingers - out of the trigger guard while in your pocket. Although you shouldn't have anything else in your pocket when carrying a gun there, stuff happens.
Also, when you're reaching for your gun - either to use it or to put it away - the pocket holster keeps your blind fingertip from accidentally finding its way inside the trigger guard before you're ready to fire.
Jim
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August 21st, 2012, 07:49 AM
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#28 | | Previously Interested
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A pocket holster:
1. Keeps the gun upright.
2. Covers the trigger guard better than pocket fabric.
3. Keeps pocket lint out of the mechanism.
4. Masks the gun shape ("printing") in your pocket, making it less obvious to onlookers.
There should never be anything else in your gun pocket. Just the holstered gun. I do keep a speed strip behind the holster.
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August 21st, 2012, 08:10 AM
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Join Date: May 2012 Location: Elmira, OR
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Originally Posted by bearcatter A pocket holster:
1. Keeps the gun upright.
2. Covers the trigger guard better than pocket fabric.
3. Keeps pocket lint out of the mechanism.
4. Masks the gun shape ("printing") in your pocket, making it less obvious to onlookers.
There should never be anything else in your gun pocket. Just the holstered gun. I do keep a speed strip behind the holster. | Perfect. Although, I doubt the trigger protection part is really necessary. A DAO revolver with an long 8# trigger pull would be almost impossible to pull through pocket material accidentally, or on purpose (IMO). But your list is correct according to the pocket holster manufacturers, anyway. http://concealmentholstersolutions.c...Holsters_.html
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August 21st, 2012, 12:40 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Omaha, NE
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I pocket carry every day and don't think twice about the barrel being pointed at someone when I sit.
My LCR, LC9 or LCP will not go off on their own in my holsters.
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