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Old October 23rd, 2012, 12:05 PM   #46
 
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It is YOU that should respect the rights of the property owner, regardless if it is post LEGALLY.
If you know that the property owner, doesn't matter how you know, does not want your gun there then you should respect that.


What is so hard to understand?
Either you do the right thing or you do the wrong thing.

Integrity is doing the right thing, even when nobody is looking.
The 'right thing' is to do everything I can to make sure myself and my family is safe. Its a pretty poor excuse for a man who won't equip themselves to defend their family because it might offend someone else.


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I think a gun buster sign...no matter if it's within the exact regulated standard or not...tells you exactly how that property owner feels. The "spirit of the law" would be don't carry in that establishment...and if you don't appreciate it, don't shop there!

All this "I just say what sign?" nonsense is just asinine and disrespectful and rude. Playing dumb doesn't make you clever
I try to avoid such establishments if possible. It isn't 'playing dumb' to ignore the signs, its playing the odds- the odds that my carriage will be discovered is nil.



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Old October 23rd, 2012, 02:01 PM   #47
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I look at it this way. When I carry, my gun is concealed. Completely! Yes, if I get caught, I can be asked to leave and/or come back without the gun. That's why I have a gunsafe in the care. But someone asking you to not carry your legal CC weapon, then they are violating your rights as much as you are theirs.

The exception would be anywhere that makes you go through a metal dectector. At least then you know that there probably aren't any BG's with guns, either.
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Here in NC, places that are off-limits even with a concealed carry permit include (among too many others):

..any private premises where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises. 14-415.11(c)

As a responsible gun owner, you need to LOOK for the sign, and abide by it. Otherwise, you are just asking for trouble, not only for yourself, but for the rest of us.

So, there is no sign, but an employee happens to notice your weapon and asks you to leave. Some might argue that this would have to be an owner or manager. I consider that a foolish position to take. If any employee asks you to leave, then you should quietly do so, with no argument.

I'd suggest looking for signs, and either taking your business elsewhere, or leave the weapon in your car. Otherwise, if there is no sign, make sure that your weapon really is concealed, or if open carry is legal where you are, make sure that it is, in fact open carry.

Personally, I look for the signs, and if I see one, will enter the business, WITHOUT MY WEAPON, seek out the owner/manager, and attempt to convince them that they need to change their no-guns policy.

This hasn't resulted in any signs being taken down yet, but it makes me feel better.

Fortunately, NC is an open carry state, and I've not had a problem with that yet. But I do look for those signs.

Anyone who just disobeys the law in this matter, is not helping our cause.

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I think of a private business like I do a home - I wouldn't want a bunch of strangers I don't know walking around my house with loaded weapons. Same for my business. I'll do the gun carrying on my property, and anyone who didn't feel safe there is free to take a long walk off a short plank, as my grandmother used to say.

Just my thoughts.
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I don't think I've ever seen a posted place, but I don't print and make sure I'm concealed. I don't want anyone to know what I have on me. As far as playing by the rules, well, the spirit of the whole conceal carry deal is just that, concealed, don't flaunt it, hell my wife doesn't even know when I'm packing. My right to go armed is a Constitutional right and the whole CCW thing is slap in the face of my unalienable right. Man has natural, unalienable rights, the right to life, liberty, and property. If I have these rights, then I must also have a right to defend them. If I have the right to defend them, then I have the right to the means to defend them. But I'm off track, if your gonna carry concealed then do so and don't let it be known.
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Every person has to decide what is right for them.
Other then the Post Office & courthouses I do not go to any place that I am not allowed to carry. If I know it is posted then I go somewhere else. If I see a (no guns) sign on a door of place that I am about to enter I turn around and leave. That is how I choose to protect my family & myself. CEZs are the worst places to go when your thinking safety.

I will say this, all of you that openly admit to carrying in places that you are not suppose to are just giving ALL of us a bad name.
Please keep it to yourself in the future.
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we have a couple gun shop/ranges here that will not allow someone to enter with a loaded weapon, permit or not. One I can understand somewhat, becaue of the shootings/suicides at their range.
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we have a couple gun shop/ranges here that will not allow someone to enter with a loaded weapon, permit or not. One I can understand somewhat, becaue of the shootings/suicides at their range.
Huh? What kind of range is this? I hope I never go there!
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My right to go armed is a Constitutional right and the whole CCW thing is slap in the face of my unalienable right. Man has natural, unalienable rights, the right to life, liberty, and property. If I have these rights, then I must also have a right to defend them. If I have the right to defend them, then I have the right to the means to defend them.
+a million.

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I think of a private business like I do a home - I wouldn't want a bunch of strangers I don't know walking around my house with loaded weapons. Same for my business. I'll do the gun carrying on my property, and anyone who didn't feel safe there is free to take a long walk off a short plank, as my grandmother used to say.
Yep, if its your own home and business is done by invitation only, that makes sense.
If you are a shop owner, your workspace where customers are free to come and go is forall intent and purposes, a public space.
Don't think it is?
Put up a sign that says "No Gays, Muslims, or Hispanics allowed."
Prepare to be sued out of business in 3...2...1...
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Yep, if its your own home and business is done by invitation only, that makes sense.
If you are a shop owner, your workspace where customers are free to come and go is forall intent and purposes, a public space.
Don't think it is?
Put up a sign that says "No Gays, Muslims, or Hispanics allowed."
Prepare to be sued out of business in 3...2...1...
100% correct. They are not really private businesses in the sense, if they can't pick and choose their clientele or be able to hire/fire who they want based on those reasons are they?

Why are they allowed to so easily discriminate against us and deny us our 2nd Amendment rights?
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Huh? What kind of range is this? I hope I never go there!
I'm sorry, but I happen to agree with this practice.

My favorite range (outdoor) has such a rule, and I agree with it 100%.

The only time that a loaded firearm is permitted is when we are at a firing station, with the weapon pointed down range.

It's a common sense safety thing, for everyone there.

If you really disagree, then let's agree not to visit the same firing range.

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I'm sorry, but I happen to agree with this practice.

My favorite range (outdoor) has such a rule, and I agree with it 100%.

The only time that a loaded firearm is permitted is when we are at a firing station, with the weapon pointed down range.

It's a common sense safety thing, for everyone there.

If you really disagree, then let's agree not to visit the same firing range.

Duane
I've never heard of a range like that. The ones I go to require a gun not on the line to be holstered or cased, but not unloaded. My clay target range requires that the action be open when not at a station. They only allow the shotgun to be loaded with 2 shells, max. But you don't have to unload them.
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I'm sorry, but I happen to agree with this practice.

My favorite range (outdoor) has such a rule, and I agree with it 100%.

The only time that a loaded firearm is permitted is when we are at a firing station, with the weapon pointed down range.

It's a common sense safety thing, for everyone there.



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I'm not talking about the ranges rules in general, they can do whatever they want. I'm talking about what the OP said about his range not allowing loaded weapons because of problems with shootings and suicides. Don't you find that a bit odd? I never heard of such a thing in my area. I wouldn't want to go to a range that has problems with shootings and suicides.

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If you really disagree, then let's agree not to visit the same firing range.
Of course I wouldn't visit the same range as you. I don't know you, and I don't live anywhere near you.

Is it Twilight Zone night at RugerForums.net?

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I'm not talking about the ranges rules in general, they can do whatever they want. I'm talking about what the OP said about his range not allowing loaded weapons because of problems with shootings and suicides. Don't you find that a bit odd? I never heard of such a thing in my area. I wouldn't want to go to a range that has problems with shootings and suicides.

Of course I wouldn't visit the same range as you. I don't know you, and I don't live anywhere near you.

Is it Twilight Zone night at RugerForums.net?
I guess that it was a case of us each misunderstanding what the others INTENDED meaning was. So we're good there.

I fortunately have NOT known personally of any shooting range suicides, and hope that I never do. But I am aware that it has happened.

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