Buffalo11

Easy answer..Don't even think about it.. They are within their rights..
wPm

ECpackers

thanks guy, i'm going to call the local PD to check.


i live in a town of less than 70k. everything is basically closed by 10pm except for a few places like walmart and some gas stations.

anyways, there's just not a whole lot of places to shop, and almost everywhere has a damn 'no weapons' sign. i plan on carrying in them, until i'm told to leave (CC).... IF the police say the sign doesn't count as notification...

i know they wouldn't know because its concealed, but while i can spend money on toys (guns) i have no extra money to give to the city if you catch my drift.

ECpackers

right, that was my thoughts....but if its still legal to do so unless you're asked to leave by an employee (as you would if you were smoking inside, since its a store policy, not a law for example) then you might as well carry until asked to leave...



FWIW, i just called EC police, and they didn't know for sure. guess i'll call the DOJ



EDIT: Finally got a hold of someone in the firearms unit on the DOJ; So in Wisconsin, any 'no weapons' sign is legal notification...i.e. if you carry in a store with a sign, you'll be subject to a fine,.

v1rot8

I refuse to trade with any business that wants to infringe on my 2nd Amendment rights. Period.
Having said this, if you are CC how would anyone know?

bwinters

Unfortunately not a problem in Nj as virtually no one other than police can carry.

Terry G

This hasn't been tested in Wisconsin to my knowledge. I asked someone from the DOJ also and was told if your asked to leave, just leave. No one is going to pursue it. A sign is just that. How many stores/restaurant's etc. have numerous signs on windows and doors? Does everybody read each one? If your carrying properly concealed how would they know in the first place? The best bet probably is what was stated. If a business post a no gun's sign, go elsewhere. (Funny thing; my Wife reminded me a restaraunt we frequent had a "No Guns" sign posted that was about 2 inches by three inches and was stuck on a window about 7 feet up. How would you call that one? It has since been removed.)

shootist

You forgot the biggest problem the police yes but the CRIMINALS still do also, you know the ones you need to have a right to protect yourself from and don't?

gasbag

I don't understand the problem, especially since it comes up quite often.
It's their business. They can have any restrictions, within legal constraints, that they want.

If you don't approve of their restrictions don't go there. I have never been offended by anyone telling me they don't want me to carry.
They have a right to that opinion and a right to make that rule at their place of business.
I can either not carry or I can choose to not go there. I don't see the problem.

ECpackers

heh, today when i was at the mall, i walked into the security office and asked if their sign "no weapons on this premises" pertains to CCW holder with permits.

They said "this is private property"...so i said "then why aren't you responsible when my wife's BRAND NEW car was keyed a couple weeks ago"?


no response, then after a minute, they told me to take it up with 'mall operations' whatever the world that is?


i really don't have a problem with them not wanted guns on their private property.

i just don't understand how it helps? might as well have a "please rob us sign, we have no one to defend us, and the mall cops don't have tasers either"

cowboy85306

1++ Right there with you guys- If my gun and my law abiding self are not welcome, why would I give a business my money? Chances are any given vendor is NOT the only game in town for purchasing whatever it is I came for.
Have heard of people having "Business Cards" made up, to be left at unfriendly businesses, outlining why they need receive no money from me or anyone else who carries legally. Seems like a good idea for speaking softly, but carrying a big stick.
LAW ABIDING PEOPLE ARE NOT SAFER IF YOU DISARM THEM

Mark IL NM

Handgunlaw.us has a section on each state's page clarifying the laws regarding signage in that state-which are highly variable. Of course property owners have their rights, as do we as consumers.

Themajickman

The way I see it is, if it's posted and you see it then you would make a conscious decision to either leave and take your business elsewhere or decide to take a chance of being on the wrong side of the law. If you don't see it you would obviously go about your business and if asked to leave you would be expected to comply. If you decide not to comply then you should expect to suffer the consequences. Just my two cents.

pell

+1 on that.

The appropriate response is to not patronize a posted business, not to quibble about the form and placement of the signage.

Responsible gun owners want the non-gun folks to respect our right to carry. To my mind, that conversation begins with us respecting their right to deny carry on their property.

cwl1862

If you see a sign that sez "No Firearms Allowed" I suggest you do what alot of us already do.....abide by their wishes and take your business and your 'Money' elsewhere. If enough of CC holders did this perhaps these thick headed business types would get the message.
To take it a step further I was in the market for a couple rooms of new furniture, and noticed on entering a local furniture business that it was posted "No guns allowed", which ticked me right off. Sooo I placed my firearm in my vehicle, and proceeded to shop for furniture. On selecting my furniture and having it all written up I asked to see the store owner, and asked him about his sign. He was proud of the fact (as he saw it) that his store was safer than his competitors because he didn't allow guns in his store. I proceeded to inform him that CPL holders were some of the safest most lawabiding people he would ever run into on the street, and that they had to pass a safety course, in addition to an extensive criminal back ground check, and could he say that about the rest of his customers??
At which point I handded him his sales voucher, showed him the empty holster and informed him I was taking my firearm, my business and my MONEY down the street to his competitor who allowed concealed carry and spending my $4000.00 dollars there.
Yes I was a prick but frankly had enough of these self rightious ignorant a-holes and wanted to make a point loud and clear. Did the idiot take down his sign? "No", was he PO'ed? "yep"; Do I care? "Nope"; & I don't really care what anyone thinks about what I did..... The fact remains that he does know he lost $4000.00 in business that day. If more of us did this perhaps these morons would get the message.

jonathan8606

The city inacted a law banning in public parks. Didn't stand up to scrutiny or last long.