303lithgow

I didn't have to prove I knew how to handle a gun safely in Washington state either. But I've been in the military also and have been trained. And I've taken saftely classes to join the local range and for ccp for MN and AZ. Only in AZ did I have to fire a gun. Some there had no experience and it was good that they at least had the basic safety training.

BuckJM53

VV68 ... Ohio currently requires a 12 hour training class including 2 hours range time. With that said and while I personally believe that each person purchasing and choosing to carry a firearm should seek out training, I prefer constitutional carry and keeping the government out of it.

They would know because they would have to take the personal responsibility to be adults and find out the important details of what they choose to do in their life.

303lithgow

[QUOTE=BuckJM53;690257]VV68 ... Ohio currently requires a 12 hour training class including 2 hours range time. With that said and while I personally believe that each person purchasing and choosing to carry a firearm should seek out training, I prefer constitutional carry and keeping the government out of it.

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I have mixed thoughts on that. I don't want to be infringed but also don't want untrained people with guns out there.

BuckJM53

303 ... We cannot possibly live our lives without risk even if we pass laws requiring 100 hours of training for concealed carry and the most restrictive laws possible regarding guns. If we trade our freedom for more perceived security through more and more restrictive laws, all that we end up with is the loss of our freedom. Given that Constitutional carry works well in Vermont, Alaska, Wyoming & Arizona, I see no reason that it would be any different in the other 46 states.

jstawasz

I think the State of Florida has followed the right path in the licensing process. The required training can be a course specifically designed for concealed carry or it can just be a Hunter Safety course. It all boils down to the same thing. YOU are responsible for having safe firearms and for using them safely within the constraints of the Law. This means that you have to study and train as long as you carry a firearm and this goes for hunting too. If you think that hunting with a firearm is anything less serious than carrying then you shouldn't do either. There is not a formal class out there that can prevent some Yahoo from carrying or hunting or prevent them from being stupid. This is the price we pay for living in a free Country. If you are willing to give up your freedom for safety then I suggest you find another Country. JMHO

PS. I think that the people who were issued based on the fraudulent course should be given a reasonable time to take a real course before their permits are rescinded.

wdm2011

And Arizona.

James6591

Pretty much sums it up for me.

303lithgow

Thats the problem if safety training is required. Someone gets hurt because they weren't trained enough so they change the laws to require 200 hours, then someone else gets hurt so they require 400 hours. After awhile they might require 20 years of full time training.

If I was king I would not require it but highly recommend it. To join our range we have to go through a half day of safety.

brimic

While training might be good, its also reeks of a political handout...

In WI, we were poised to have no trianing requirement and Constitutional CCW. At the 11th hour, at least one big CCW training organization lobbied HARD to have a training requirement incorporated into the law.
Once again, I think training is all well and good for those who want it, but its digusting if its put into place in order to line someone's pockets.

VietVet68

Your position sounds as though you're in denial of what really happens when a 3 year old finds his Daddys gun in the drawer of his nightstand, pulls the trigger & kills himself.
I see this happen at least once a month in the Detroit area, & there's also different scenatios with the same result all because an adult doesn't know, care or want to learn about how to keep his loved ones safe.

VietVet68

I agree 100% but, we can manage risk by educating ourselves about how to avoid much of it. Even though we all hate seat belts the data doesn't lie when it tells us we're safer with them on.

BuckJM53

VV68 ... With respect (and not from a position of denial), you can't legislate or train against stupidity. If an adult needs training and/or legislation to help him/her draw the conclusion that leaving a gun in a location that can be easily accessed by a 3 year old is a bad idea, we're in real trouble.

Again, I wear a seat belt because logic dictates that I will have a better chance of survival in the event of an accident. However with all the laws in the nation requiring seat belts, I see people all the time driving/riding without seat belts and frequently hear of people dying in accidents who were not wearing seat belts. Is the answer stronger seat belt laws and seat belt training ? The answer is personal responsibility for one's actions whether it be a ticket or severe injury due to stupidity.

I grow very weary of folks who want to infringe on my rights by passing laws that the ignorant, foolish and criminal elements of our country are simply going to ignore anyway!