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View Poll Results: primary self-defense caliber
22 rimfire/25 acp 34 1.14%
.32 caliber (any) 29 0.97%
.380 acp 234 7.82%
9mm 1,037 34.66%
38 spl 342 11.43%
357 mag 440 14.71%
40 s&w 340 11.36%
other 43 1.44%
44 spl 27 0.90%
45 colt/acp 466 15.57%
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Old February 7th, 2009, 09:54 PM   #166
 
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"I thought the 10mm was developed as a result of the Miami shootout. And the 40S&W was developed because some of the FBI agents couldn't get a good handle on the 10mm's, much less shoot them controllably. Or was the 40 in development before the 10mm wasn't controllable for them?"

You're right. I left out some of the development of the 40.

Sorry about that. I guess I had a brain fart. Yes, the 10mm was determined to be the new F.B.I. caliber until they ran in to problems having people qualify. That's when the 40 was developed.

The 10mm, IIRC, was already out when the F.B.I. went to it, but the 40 wasn't. It was made, sort of reverse engineering style" from a 10mm to a .40 S&W instead of the usuall 38 Special to .357 Magnum route. They went from large to small instead of small to large.

Of course I could be all wrong, as my brain is muddled, but that's how I "think" it went. I'm just thankful that things came about as they did, because it gave us a real exciting round, the .357 Sig. If you can't tell, I like the round, even though I don't carry that caliber. The reason is more due to bullet availability for me than anything else. It's not very common here.

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Old February 8th, 2009, 08:24 AM   #167
 
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"I thought the 10mm was developed as a result of the Miami shootout. And the 40S&W was developed because some of the FBI agents couldn't get a good handle on the 10mm's, much less shoot them controllably. Or was the 40 in development before the 10mm wasn't controllable for them?"

You're right. I left out some of the development of the 40.

Sorry about that. I guess I had a brain fart. Yes, the 10mm was determined to be the new F.B.I. caliber until they ran in to problems having people qualify. That's when the 40 was developed.

The 10mm, IIRC, was already out when the F.B.I. went to it, but the 40 wasn't. It was made, sort of reverse engineering style" from a 10mm to a .40 S&W instead of the usuall 38 Special to .357 Magnum route. They went from large to small instead of small to large.

Of course I could be all wrong, as my brain is muddled, but that's how I "think" it went. I'm just thankful that things came about as they did, because it gave us a real exciting round, the .357 Sig. If you can't tell, I like the round, even though I don't carry that caliber. The reason is more due to bullet availability for me than anything else. It's not very common here.

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I think we agree on the development. The way you describe the development here, with the extra detail, is just what I read as I researched a little further. I just didn't want to go back and edit my entire post to say all that. Just to say, you were right.

I agree with you on the 357SIG. I think the best thing about it is the bottleneck cartridge, a modern version. Enough meat that it can be reloaded without a huge amount of concern with wrinkling the neck, as I understand it, unlike the 38-40 or 44-40. And it being a bottleneck, it will feed more reliably while maintaining a tight chamber and good case support, a BIG weak point of the .40.
Now if the .400 Corbon had become something more popular, we'd REALLY have a barn-burner. Actual "big bore" bullet.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 01:14 PM   #171
 
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Nine is fine . . .

. . . for me. Specifically Golden Sabers or Gold Dots, 124 grain +P. Depending on weather and dress it can be a Kahr PM9 (IWB or ankle) or Glock 19 (IWB or belt)
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I voted for the 45s. Actually, I carry all of those listed from 380 up, plus the 10mm, 41 mag, and 44 mag, depending on season, dress, and other considerations of the moment. But when I carry one of the smaller calibers it's because I don't have anything smaller/lighter in a larger caliber. I would not carry a 9mm Hi-Power, for example, because I have 45s smaller and lighter. Other things being equal, bigger is always better.

That said, even a 22, 25, or 32 is better than nothing. Wild Bill Hickok used a 36 Navy Colt for most his gunfights, by choice and very effectively, but he was a dead shot and extremely cool under fire.

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Old February 19th, 2009, 06:55 PM   #174
 
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I have wanted to make 380 my carry, I love the weight and conceal ability, plus, it's a neat lookin gun, but too many issues yet, so, it's a very reliable 38 +p 158 gr BB, out of a 642 Smith for me. Not as sexy perhaps, but it is what I feel comfortable with. One thing that strikes me in all the threads, are that most of the "issues" in a snubbie are cosmetically related ie; accessories,finishes, and cleaning chores, while in the ultra small semis it's a lot of feed, fire, and general reliability things. I own an LCP and a Kel-tec, and while the KT hasn't been back to the factory (I've ordered parts on several occasions, nice folks down there in Fla.) the LCP has been back 3 times (including recall). For those of you who, at this point in the post like to offer to buy these guns, I have $290 in the LCP, and my email should be in my profile. 1st I'll take it, wins. (+ ffl transfers, of course)
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I own an LCP and a Kel-tec, and while the KT hasn't been back to the factory (I've ordered parts on several occasions, nice folks down there in Fla.) the LCP has been back 3 times (including recall).
I haven't had any issues with my KT but have only put abut 70 or 80 rounds through it. the problem I have with it is that little thing is not comfortable to shoot and I like to shoot what I carry! (another form of comfort) So I will probably sell it and buy a PPK, heavier but still pretty small. (Summer CCW in the hot southern summers)!
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I chose .357 mainly because it is my favorite gun to carry (SP101) and the most concealable weapon I have.
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I voted for .40 S&W as that is what I try to carry most (Springfield Armory XD sub compact) but also use .380, 9mm, .357 and .45 ... all with Gold Dot hollow points in different situations.

I still use .380 a lot when weight and "printing" are a issue. Although my Dad has a Kel-Tec 9mm (P11) that is the same size as my PPK and fully loaded weighs about the same which looks like a more modern option for more power than .380 in similar package.

My PPK is still nicer to shoot (if you watch out for slide bite ). Kel-Tec needs work as it isn't real pleasant to shoot out of the box but then again, it wasn't intended to be a target gun ... it is a save your butt gun.
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No .223 Rem? Surely there are folks out there carrying a PLR-16 IWB?

I carry .380 auto in my LCP when I need to go "deep cover." Otherwise 9MM in a Glock 26 or (when I get my holster) .357 mag in my SP101.
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My primary CCW caliber of choice is .45ACP. My 9MMs are my second choice, and if I really need a small carry piece, my Beretta .32ACP Tomcat goes in my front pocket.
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