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View Poll Results: primary self-defense caliber
22 rimfire/25 acp 35 1.17%
.32 caliber (any) 29 0.97%
.380 acp 234 7.81%
9mm 1,039 34.69%
38 spl 342 11.42%
357 mag 440 14.69%
40 s&w 340 11.35%
other 43 1.44%
44 spl 27 0.90%
45 colt/acp 466 15.56%
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Old January 28th, 2009, 09:20 PM   #151
 
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SP101 2.25" 357 SJHP hot loads -primary, Also pack a Glock 30 SF 45acp 185 moly coated Gold Dots - hot loads.



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Old January 30th, 2009, 12:55 PM   #152
 
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22-32 wtf

newbie here> i know I shouldn't be stepping on toes here but jesus administrator. a 22or even a 32 man i don't think so! i mean check this pole or any of the many asking this question> not say i'm correct on this because everyone has an oppinion but most will go with the 45acp. there were many said the 45 but PIONEER461 hit it right on the head by saying was all the us military used for over 100yrs.COLT 1911A1 rah rah rah. as for the 9mm bull****. DEA an special forces an more also went back to the 45cal. because of a lot less shoot throughs aan they don't have near the stopping power. thats PERIOD. just my 2cents worth cosmo don't mean to offend anyone
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If I was in special operations, or a law enforcement officer, I would not feel comfortable with anything less than a 40 caliber. But I'm not. I'd be fine with anything all the way down to 22LR, if that is all I had, in that case. There's been a lot of people killed with 22's. And when it comes right down to it, in most instances, the bad guy really doesn't even want to tangle with a 22LR.
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Old January 30th, 2009, 11:03 PM   #154
 
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for dogboy question is what do you carry for self defense??? is the 22 the only gun you have to carry? then thats fine. i think you probably have something larger. if so don't you want to live as much as a special forces guy or a cop i would say you probably do. so as far as i'm concerned why even think about a 22. then i guess if all you had was a baseball bat that would would work also. jesus dude!
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for dogboy question is what do you carry for self defense??? is the 22 the only gun you have to carry? then thats fine. i think you probably have something larger. if so don't you want to live as much as a special forces guy or a cop i would say you probably do. so as far as i'm concerned why even think about a 22. then i guess if all you had was a baseball bat that would would work also. jesus dude!
For YEARS I relied on a 22 for self defense. I was comfortable.
I have several other options now, but I didn't buy them for self defense. They were for fun. The 22 was plenty. Now that I have others, they are relied on for self defense. But don't let yourself get suckered into the caliber wars. If (big IF) you can consistently put a 22LR round in the right place, you will be fine. If you wildly place a 45 in the periphery, you will be a hurtin' puppy if you survive the encounter at all.

All the calibers listed, loaded and used properly, will save your hide. And yes, even a baseball bat.
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I usually carry a SW 3913, and a SW 640ND for EDC. I have read everyone's comments on this is good or this is bad. It boils down to this.
1. Carry the gun you are most proficent with.

2. Its all about shot placement.

3. Its not about stopping power, but shooting until the threat stops. Any questions, please reread #2.

4. No such thing as a "magic bullet".

5. A quote form a friend of mine. " Shot placement is King, penetration is Queen, everything else is Angels dancing on the head of a pen."

6. Any questions refer to #2 and #1 in that order.
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to old to be suckered

guess your just as bullheaded as i am dogboy:way to old to get sucked into caliber wars an can place my shots with confidence, but your not shooting paper targets in a gun fight dude your scared ,nervous,shooting fastnot calm an takeing your time.all you have to do is look at the graph an percentages at the top of the page an you will see where the 22 stands as far as primary carry gun. since i know you won't quit on this subject i will not respond to anymore of your 22 for primary carry dumbness. or at least try my best not too
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guess your just as bullheaded as i am dogboy:way to old to get sucked into caliber wars an can place my shots with confidence, but your not shooting paper targets in a gun fight dude your scared ,nervous,shooting fastnot calm an takeing your time.all you have to do is look at the graph an percentages at the top of the page an you will see where the 22 stands as far as primary carry gun. since i know you won't quit on this subject i will not respond to anymore of your 22 for primary carry dumbness. or at least try my best not too
Duuuuuude....

My primary carry is a 45ACP, or 45 Colt.
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.40 in a S&W M&P . I think I will start carrying a P89DC in 9mm that i recently acquired .
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I have a p95 but once I aquire one an lcr will pemanantly reside in my pocket I was shot at 3 times when I was 15 and ten years later am finally defending myself after the first time you really don't freakout anymore plus anfter the 3rd I think im out of luck and should make my own
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Since I orginally voted in the poll I have made some changes in Primary Carry Gear.

My new Primary off duty gun is a Browning Hi Power in .40 S&W. I'm still not a "fan" of the caliber, but I am a fan of the gun. The one thing that the .40 allows me to do is switch to 9mm by changing barrels and magazine for cheaper range practice. I haven't "converted" the gun yet, nor bought the parts, but it is an option if I choose to do so.

I like my 1911, but I find that I'm loving my Hi Power. I love it so much that I'll probably buy a second one at some point. As far as the caliber, it's really hard to find a "bad" bullet in .40 S&W, but for what it gives you I think it's too little for the increased muzzle flip.

Now, one caliber that I do like, of the newer calibers, is the .357 Sig. That caliber is, to me, what the F.B.I. should've been seeking when they ran their very flawed analysis of the "Miami Shootout" where Agents Ben Grogan and Jerry Dove were killed in the line of duty. If you aren't aware of it, the .40 S&W was designed because of the F.B.I.'s analysis of that shootout and looking for a "scapegoat".

The 9mm became the "scapegoat" when in reality it should've been the tactics and procedures used by the Agents that fateful day.

Just my $0.02.

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If you aren't aware of it, the .40 S&W was designed because of the F.B.I.'s analysis of that shootout and looking for a "scapegoat".
Just my $0.02.

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I thought the 10mm was developed as a result of the Miami shootout. And the 40S&W was developed because some of the FBI agents couldn't get a good handle on the 10mm's, much less shoot them controllably. Or was the 40 in development before the 10mm wasn't controllable for them?

I know there was a "Centimeter" cartridge that was a wildcat round for a little while, too, IIRC, that was a shortened 10mm that could fit in smaller frames.

Yep, here it is:
http://www.pistoldynamics.com/AH_1987_Carttridge.html

Actually, in looking for the Centimeter, I found on Wikipedia information that leads me to believe the 10mm was already somewhat in development, and not a result of the Miami shootout. However, the same article mentioned that the 40S&W was developed because of the FBI's inability to have the 10mm used by all its agents, controllably.

Nevertheless, it sounds like you have a SWEET set-up. Would love to see some pictures.

Edited to add: Nevermind, you were correct. Ultimately, the .40 was developed because of the Miami shootout.

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well, i am still a bit suprised by the poll results---though i shouldn't be............

As i stated many pages back, i was not really looking for a favorite caliber, but the caliber that was most often carried by the person for primary ccw.

We all have our "favorites", but when it comes to actually carrying in the real world on a day and nite basis, i figured the 38 and smaller platforms would really shine due to size/recoil/availability.

recon the new generation is here in force........

perhaps its a combination of things. Weapon choices today are abundent. And with CHL expanding into many States, the gun makers are responding and fighting for every bit of the market. Holster selection/availablity has greatly expanded as well.

the ole' stand-by 38 and the .380 has lost ground to magnum "j" frames and sub-compact light weight auto-loaders. A decade or two back and the numbers would be different.

44 spl revolvers i guess just can't comptete in market share/demand with the latest and greatest coming off the lines.

45 folks..........need i say more?......most would rather fight than switch..........

There really are no wrong choices here. Again, it depends on the individual and a whole host of factors that effect him and not necessarily others as to their individual choice.

Thank goodness we still have choices in his Country.

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44 spl revolvers i guess just can't comptete in market share/demand with the latest and greatest coming off the lines.
If Ruger would make a DA 44 Special, that is what I would most likely have answered. Or if I had been ... more intelligent... when S&W was making their 296 and 696.
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I use the .45 acp
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