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Old February 14th, 2012, 03:56 AM   #31
 
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Kansas is correct as well. Our concealed carry license looks just like a driver's license, but is a separate card. You are required to carry the driver's license if you are driving and the CCL if you are concealing a handgun. We are not required to inform LEO. However, if I am ever asked a direct question like "do you have any weapons?" then I will inform the officer that I have a CCL while I keep my hands in clear sight.



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Old February 14th, 2012, 04:09 AM   #32
 
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Now I am confused. Wisconsin is correct that you do not need to inform however I had a plan that I would turn over my driver liscence and CCW permit together if I was ever pulled over. I am thinking that because Wisconsin being relatively new to CCW the Law Inforcement Officers may be a bit jumpy which is why I would volunteer rather than have them find it later.

Now I seem to remember seeing a video somewhere (not in class) that it is best not to give any information if not asked.

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I always inform. It seems to make things go smoother after it's out of the way. I have called many states trooper offices and they have always been very helpful so far. Even in NY State! Haven't called NJ or MA yet because I am avoiding travel there.

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In Michigan, there was a court case (don't remember the name) where a guy simply handed over the DL and CPL figuring that would sufice. The court disagreed and nailed him for not informing (he did inform the officer 40 seconds after initial contact, but the court didn't find his action to be "Immediate".)

I'm wondering if Michigan is behind the times. As mentioned in AZ, having a CPL is attached to the DL same as in Michigan but there still is a duty to inform.
I can understand the immediate need to inform as stated in states that have the duty to inform policy but the (so many seconds rule) counting down and stuff just makes people nervous. We have the Duty to inform here in NC also. I think the law is stupid myself. It's also the first thing out of my mouth when approached and has been for 30 years (That I have my pistol/revolver with me today). I don't disclose anything else unless asked, even the location in vehicle. I do it for good practice but don't like that they have made it a law. Just my opinion.

As far as I can tell, my map is correct so far. I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone who has helped me validate it. This is February 2012. I wonder how long till it changes because the laws constantly are changing?

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Indiana is correct...you do not have to say anything. Just smile and politely answer any questions the officer may ask you!

I've been stopped a few times while carrying concealed! I keep my hands at the 10 and 2 positions on the steering wheel and simply respond to the situation at hand. I'm not against them...and they are just doing their job! I've never informed...and have never been asked! Most of the LEO's that I know...don't want to know...they are trained to watch the other guy's hands and respond accordingly...keeping it simple does just that, it keeps it simple! If asked...I would politely inform the officer that I have a concealed weapon, tell him where it is, and ask, "What would you like for me to do?"

Athough there are a few LEO's out there who think differently. They like to make things...'complicated!'

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New York is correct.
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Apologies -- little off subject.
My experience with the US Coast Guard on the great lakes is, the first question upon boarding is "Are there any firearms aboard?" The answers are "Yes, in the blah, blah locker.", "No" or "We are delivering the vessel to blah blah port for the owner and there are none to our knowledge." We always ask the owner to remove all firearms prior to taking over the vessel. USCG are great to deal with. Homeland Security? I've heard horror stories about their conduct during their training sessions around east coast ports but have no personal knowledge.
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Apologies -- little off subject.
My experience with the US Coast Guard on the great lakes is, the first question upon boarding is "Are there any firearms aboard?" The answers are "Yes, in the blah, blah locker.", "No" or "We are delivering the vessel to blah blah port for the owner and there are none to our knowledge." We always ask the owner to remove all firearms prior to taking over the vessel. USCG are great to deal with. Homeland Security? I've heard horror stories about their conduct during their training sessions around east coast ports but have no personal knowledge.
I'd say that's right on subject and something to consider for boaters and maritime shippers.
BTW, if I ever get a deep keel sailboat to sail to the Bahamas and such I'm going to have a M2 50 caliber machine gun to mount deckside for pirates of course. Can you picture that. Gunny on deck yelling, Disclose This!!!
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Indiana is correct...you do not have to say anything. Just smile and politely answer any questions the officer may ask you!

I've been stopped a few times while carrying concealed! I keep my hands at the 10 and 2 positions on the steering wheel and simply respond to the situation at hand. I'm not against them...and they are just doing their job! I've never informed...and have never been asked! Most of the LEO's that I know...don't want to know...they are trained to watch the other guy's hands and respond accordingly...keeping it simple does just that, it keeps it simple! If asked...I would politely inform the officer that I have a concealed weapon, tell him where it is, and ask, "What would you like for me to do?"

Athough there are a few LEO's out there who think differently. They like to make things...'complicated!'
Quite correct. While most LEO's I've known were/are very supportive of the 2nd there are a few that just don't get it. The Nanny State times we live are bound to filter in to every line of work and there are LEO's out there who firmly believe they are the only personal protection we have a right to. (they are still rare thank God)

You just never know which kind just pulled you over and for that reason alone I just smile and do as I'm told.
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AZ is correct in that map - no duty to inform. In AZ a CCW is tagged to DL, so they are going to know if run you in system. Which is sort of weird now that anyone who can legally own can conceal, but they won't be in system like those of us who previously had CCW.

Anyway, my feelings? Just like you said, I plan to advise when/if I'm carrying (have not been stopped in years, last time I was stopped I was not carrying). Rather be up front with Officer rather than any risk of surprise. I still believe the vast majority of LEOs are out there trying to do right, they just want to do their duties while keeping safe so they can go home to their families at night. As I teach my son, respect gets respect. But you already know that because you are a Gunny
This is incorrect. I have an Arizona permit. The permit is seperate from your drivers license, in fact you don't even need a DL to get one. AZ permits do not have a photo or your address on it. The state requires that if you are carrying then you are required to have a photo ID along with your permit. This is a moot point now because now you no longer need a permit to concile. I got my permit while I was working out there for a defense contractor without an AZ drivers license or ID. I used my Texas address for their records.
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Az has resident and non resident permits
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This is incorrect. I have an Arizona permit. The permit is seperate from your drivers license, in fact you don't even need a DL to get one. AZ permits do not have a photo or your address on it. The state requires that if you are carrying then you are required to have a photo ID along with your permit. This is a moot point now because now you no longer need a permit to concile. I got my permit while I was working out there for a defense contractor without an AZ drivers license or ID. I used my Texas address for their records.
hmmm, correct, no photo nor address on my CCW either. Now that you correct me and I think more about it - maybe I had to give my DL # to prove ongoing and continued residency, along with proving legal residency with permanent resident number. But the one time I was stopped since having CCW, the Officer seemed to already know I had CCW even though as I noted in my post I was not carrying at that time. As Gunny noted, AZ has both resident and nonresident permits, wonder if yours is different than mine?
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Mine is a resident permit. Besides my Tx address I had an Az address to for them to send the permit to. When I left there I went back to Iraq then back to TX. Once back in Texas I phoned in a change of address to my Tx address. Probably wont ever get a Tx permit because it seems like I'm never home long enough and besides the Az permit was way cheaper. IIRC it was like $60 and I got it in 5 days.
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Virginia is correct. If it was just a simple traffic stop that I was being written a ticket for I don't see how it would be relevant to inform the officer and I wouldn't.

I think everyone on this board by now has seen the famous youtube vid of that officer loosing his mind on a CCW holder in Ohio. That was a bit of a different situation than just getting a speeding ticket but you see how well that has the potential for working. Hopefully Ohio is in the process of repealing that stupid law.
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Texas still has the requirement to notify, just as it always has. Only if you are carrying. The only change made is, that there is no penalty for not doing so (2009 I think). This came about as a result of the Motorists Protection Act, which doesn't require a person to notify.
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In Missouri CCW classes they say you must inform in Kansas. I have no proof of that.
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California is county by county. Here in Mendocino County there is no obligation to announce. "Some counties (Orange County in particular) require that during any contact with law enforcement, you must “immediately announce” you are carrying a concealed weapon and have a license to do so. Other counties do not have the same mandatory disclosure requirement."
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So I guess the California color should be pink.
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