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Old November 19th, 2011, 03:25 PM   #1
 
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.22 Mag for Self-Defense

What are your thoughts on the .22 Mag for self-defense? I'm interested in the NAA Mini w/ the interchangeable cylinders. I like the idea of the .22LR for target shooting and having the option to use .22 Mag when I want to. I saw Ruger makes the Single Six in a convertible, but those are awfully large to conceal (although that 9.5" sure looks like it'd be a blast to target shoot with!). Any insight is appreciated. Thanks!



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Old November 19th, 2011, 03:44 PM   #2
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I carry the NAA Mini Mag when I exercise walk and although I'm not big on a 22 Mag for self defense at 5 OZ it carries easily in exercise shorts. I do have a choice as I can carry my LCR in a belly band and do when I'm walking in area's where I am not sure what I'll encounter. If you want a primary self defense handgun I would go much larger (38 Spl or 9MM minimun) and use the NAA as a backup.
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I'd say yes, very low kick, low indoor concussion, low off target or over penetration. You can carry more ammo/mags yet still be lighter and faster.
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Almost any gun and any caliber is better than none !
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Federal lists their .22 Win mag (P765) rounds as having 320 ft lbs of muzzle energy. That's right up in the typical 9mm range, higher than .38 and .380
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I like to think of them as anything is better than nothing, they make great back up second guns, and you can't get much easier for an deep cover ultra consealable gun. I wouldn't use one as primary unless that is all I could find, all I could handle in recoil, or whatever situational disadvantage. Given the option, I would always start with at least a .380ACP or .38 special. So I wouldn't feel naked with one, but don't think of it as the first thing you should grab. Also, you lose gobs of velocity with the very short barrel. I watch guys go back and forth on talking about S&W .22mag/.22LR J frames being great until someone pipes up with chrono results and posts them. Even CCI Stingers dump serious velocity from short barrels. So they aren't as great as some would believe. And keep in mind that most .22mag ammo is made for rifles. You need to find the Speer or Hornady type offerings that are made for handguns if you really want to squeeze out every drop of the powder as being useful.
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Thanks so much guys! I don't carry regularly, but I have an SR9c for when I do. I was thinking about the NAA mini to throw in my car as a back-up (and to just always have a gun anywhere I go). Like most of you said, anything is better than nothing. Also, I wouldn't expect to use it but for close-up situations (0-5 yards).
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Go to the NAA site and review their ballistic tables. While the mag is very respectable in a rifle, it is anemic out of a handgun. Not far from a .22 lr and in the same class as a .25 acp. Good backup, but for me not a primary.
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Go to the NAA site and review their ballistic tables. While the mag is very respectable in a rifle, it is anemic out of a handgun. Not far from a .22 lr and in the same class as a .25 acp. Good backup, but for me not a primary.
I'd have to agree with RJTravel and disagree about any gun being better than none. A .22 might just make someone mad! If you come across a big guy, unless you shoot him in the eye, it's not going to cause a lot of immediate damage. If you're thinking, "shoot to wound", think again.

My 2... if you're going to have to shoot someone, make it count. And for me, I have doubts about even a .380 unless you're carrying hot JHP's.
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I have a really hard time buying the idea that a .22 LR or .22 Mag will just "make the BG mad". You wouldn't believe how many people are killed each year by .22's. They might not have the power to instantly incapacitate someone, but neither do most handgun loadings. It comes down to a lot of personal beliefs too. Some people feel like a 9mm is pretty much worthless as a defense round.

But yes, I agree that anything is better than nothing. Most of the time the bad guy will stop once they see you are armed. The natural reaction to seeing a pistol pointed at you is to flee, especially when shots are fired.
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I have a really hard time buying the idea that a .22 LR or .22 Mag will just "make the BG mad". You wouldn't believe how many people are killed each year by .22's. They might not have the power to instantly incapacitate someone, but neither do most handgun loadings. It comes down to a lot of personal beliefs too. Some people feel like a 9mm is pretty much worthless as a defense round.

But yes, I agree that anything is better than nothing. Most of the time the bad guy will stop once they see you are armed. The natural reaction to seeing a pistol pointed at you is to flee, especially when shots are fired.
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Federal lists their .22 Win mag (P765) rounds as having 320 ft lbs of muzzle energy. That's right up in the typical 9mm range, higher than .38 and .380
I'm glad you brought this up. Yes, a .22 mag is a small but potent round. The problem I see here is that this testing was probably done through a substantially longer barrel. (Test barrels are usually optimum length) The N.A.A. mini barrel is what, 1 & 1/8" long?
Still, the N.A.A. Mini is way better than nothing, and I suspect will get you through the ordeal if properly used.
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I have a really hard time buying the idea that a .22 LR or .22 Mag will just "make the BG mad". You wouldn't believe how many people are killed each year by .22's. They might not have the power to instantly incapacitate someone, but neither do most handgun loadings. It comes down to a lot of personal beliefs too. Some people feel like a 9mm is pretty much worthless as a defense round.

But yes, I agree that anything is better than nothing. Most of the time the bad guy will stop once they see you are armed. The natural reaction to seeing a pistol pointed at you is to flee, especially when shots are fired.
I almost added that factoid about .22's. Yes, it is a fact (at least when I was a cop) more people in the US are killed by .22's than any other round. That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the lethality of the round! It's the propensity of .22's that abound, are given to kids and are not secured from kids.

Sorry, I have no way to prove my point about a .22 making a BG mad. But a .22 has almost zero knock down power unless it's a shot to the brain. It's not even big enough usually to disable someone. Yeah, it hurts! But the key is to STOP THE THREAT!

Sorry for the caps. I'm not trying to yell, I'm trying emphasize. If you carry a .22 for self defense, then IMHO, you're fooling yourself. What a .22 WILL do just as easily as a .45, is escalate the situation. But if you have a .22 and you enter into a gunfight and IF you should hit your target, you probably are going to have most full sized men very angry at you, not incapacitated.

Regarding the stopping power of a 9mm to a .22, well they're not in the same category. But, even the 9mm might take two shots to stop someone.
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Something I forgot to mention about .22 related deaths. A .22 is a popular round for hit men. It's not very loud and it takes longer for someone to die from it.
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It seems like a nice novelty gun and probably fun to shoot but it seems to me that it is overly complicated to bring it to play if the need arises regardless of caliber. But, as a back up and if you are comfortable with it, then go for it.

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Loading an empty NAA mini-revolver is accomplished by first putting the hammer in its 1/4 cock (or "safe") position, which moves the tip of the hammer (the firing pin) clear of the cylinder, and then removing the cylinder pin. (To remove, grasp the knurled portion of the cylinder pin between the thumb and middle finger, press the center release pin with the index finger, and pull.) This allows the cylinder to be removed from the frame and the chambers loaded with 5 cartridges. If necessary, use the cylinder pin to push empty cases from the chambers, one at a time. The cylinder is then slipped back into place, most easily from the right side of the frame, and the cylinder pin replaced. A ball detent locks the cylinder pin in place when it is fully inserted. The hammer may now be cocked and the gun fired.

To render the mini-revolver safe for carry, pull the hammer back with the thumb of the shooting hand until the cylinder bolt retracts and allows the cylinder to turn freely. Hold the hammer in that position and use the fingers of the other hand to rotate the cylinder so that one of the square safety notches between the cylinder chambers is aligned with the hammer. Then use the index finger of the shooting hand to pull the trigger and slowly lower the hammer all the way down. Visually verify that the hammer is indeed all the way forward and between two chambers.

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