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View Poll Results: Concealed vs. Open carry
I feel concealed carry is wrong, we should exercise our rights openly 10 2.12%
I support open carry, but conceal most of the time. 231 49.04%
My state doesn't allow open carry 50 10.62%
I think open carry presents more liabilities than benefits, but shouldn't be illegal 146 31.00%
I think open carry advocates hurt gunowners by picking a fight we already won 34 7.22%
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Old January 1st, 2011, 08:19 AM   #76
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I have a CC question that is really bugging me and I just can't get a difinitive answer from instructors or LEO's. I live in Ohio and have a CCL. MANY folks carry concealed with guns in pockets, coats and jackets WITHOUT holsters. I've been told it is NOT LEGAL unless in a holster, even if in pocket it has to be in a pocket holster or if in a coat/jacket it MUST first be in a HOLSTER. This seems ridiculous to me, and others, and I have been told that it is not necessary by some. I just can't define from the booklet that it is a MUST, they just mention carrying in a holster.
I'd like some opinions on this from CCL teachers and LEO's here. How do YOU interpret the law.

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This sounds like it'd be a better question for Ohio CCW .org. I'm aware of what you're talking about, but never paid too much attention to it. IIRC, the law states "in a holster" and was pretty specific to that. I never went past that b/c IMO there's no reason NOT to have a pocket holster. It's potentially dangerous for both you and your gun to not carry properly. Is there something that I'm not considering, why would you carry w/o a holster? (might need a separate thread here for this)



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All states are different. PA doesn't require a holster, at least there's no law that I can find on this.

It has to be clear what defines a "holster".......does it have to cover the trigger, or hammer.......or barrel?

In other words, can you just wrap a piece of nylon around the front of the barrel and call it your holster?
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I agree with what Buck has said on the matter. I CC myself, don't see the need to open carry.But do want the right.
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Personally I have a CCW and carry concealed 100% of the time but I support anyones right to open carry. Maybe some day I will OC myself but I feel at this point it doesn't gain me any advantage to do so. Only my personal opinion.

Ironically living in VA where it is legal to OC I constantly stress out about my legally concealed firearm printing or showing in plain view by accident because that could be misconstrued as "brandishing".

This has only happened once that I was aware of. I was leaving my apt going to the parking lot where my gf was waiting in the car for me and I had a big load of laundry in both arms (what a good woman!) and my jacket and shirt were lifted far enough up that a woman passing by could see my firearm. When I got in the car my gf told me my gun was showing in plain view and that lady walking by me saw it and had a look of being totally freaked out.

I mean clearly I wasn't up to no good, simply carting my laundry to the car, but it made me feel weird. The thought definitely crossed my mind and I wondered if she'd get to some place out of view and call the cops cuz she just saw some "strange man walking through the parking lot with a gun".

It makes you think.
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I'd like some opinions on this from CCL teachers and LEO's here. How do YOU interpret the law.
The "Buckeye Firearms" site seems to have quite a bit of good information on that.

The Ohio Attorney General also has quite a bit of information.

And, of course, Ohio CCW dot org could be helpful.
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I am fortunate to live in Arizona where open carry is legal and concealed is legal without a permit. With that being said I still keep my permit valid and most of the time I carry concealed. As said in an earlier post who needs to draw un-needed attention to yourself because most people are not comfortable with the sight of a gun in public.
Is this a recent change for az. I looked it up not too long ago on Usa Carry.com, and it said you did need a permit. I just looked it up again and nothing has changed. When did the change become effective?
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Alabama has no law against open carry, it actually supports it from what I have read. I agree with the others though, I have not done this. If I cannot conceal my gun, then I just do not carry it. Most people do not have the maturity to handle seeing a gun.
If other people lack maturity that is their problem. I rarely open carry but during summer months will do so more often. Open carry here was given a large shot in the arm via a disagreement in Royal Oak Mi that was ruled in favor of requiring the allowing of open carry at "Arts, Beats, and Eats" since it is held on public property.

If people were forced to confront their fears and immaturity by seeing more folks openly carrying their firearms, it would be good for us as a whole I believe.
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Is this a recent change for az. I looked it up not too long ago on Usa Carry.com, and it said you did need a permit. I just looked it up again and nothing has changed. When did the change become effective?
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I am also a drinking man, but I don't chug a fifth on the town hall steps in front of the women and kids.....

There is a time and a place for everything.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #86
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While open carry has obvious disadvantages, I think there is something to be said for it.

The pro-gun community is often seen as a bunch of loons. This is in large part because pro-gunners pretty much hide the pro-gun nature unless around other pro-gunners. They feel safe admitting to support of 2A at a shooting range, for example.

The NRA has some 4 million members. Evidently, only about a half dozen NRA members with cars exist in the metro-Milwaukee area if I were to judge by the miniscule number of NRA stickers I see on cars here. I saw one yesterday. I remember it specifically because it's such an exceptionally rarity to spot.

Open carry says "we are gun owners & we will not hide in the closet any longer." I can certainly understand why few are willing to wear a gun upon their hip. It can make you a social outcast, though what more dramatic way is there to show packing a gun as a safe, normal activity? Earlier this year I saw a guy with a gun strapped to his belt. He was also bearing an infant in a baby seat & a young daughter in his arms. Pretty hard to look intimidating while bearing kids, no matter what kind of gun you're packing.

Did gays come out of the closet simply to make room for gun owners to be stuffed by an intolerant society?

Just some thoughts. I don't think there is any easy answer to this issue.
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i fully support open carry. however, its just not for me.


1, even though most people aren't trying to do so, it creates unwanted drama. go to youtube, look up "open carry vs cops".....you'll see DOZENS of videos of people who are busy bodies, just TRYING to pick a fight to support their 'rights' to open carry.

should we be allowed to open carry? duh, but people carrying around a gun on their hip and their camera, are basically asking for problems. they intentional confront people/police, just to create a scene....its annoying, and immature. go be a vigilante in a video game.
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The less attention you bring to yourself the better. That's how I feel about it.
I support both ways and believe both ways have their place and time but for me personally I agree with Napacountyshooter.
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I support the right to open carry. I agree that if 90% of the population did it, there'd be almost no crime. But some people are still weird about it, even here in Arizona. If I'm in the woods camping or hiking or hunting I'll definitely open carry my GP100. But walking through the city in my day to day life I prefer that nobody knows I have my P95 on me. Less hassle. Last time I open carried, my wife and I were walking to a Circle K at night in Apache Junction. We spent about 20 minutes in the store deciding what we wanted, got some snacks, a drink, and a pack of smokes, and then stood out front smoking before walking a mile back home. Well apparently my wife and I look very suspicious because the Circle K clerk called the police to report two suspicious looking armed people walking around. Just as we were about to leave, two squad cars pull up. The cops asked if we were armed and I said yes sir, and turned to let him see my hip. He asked us for our I'd and we just sat there BSing with them. After our names came back clear, he said "I don't blame you for carrying out here, you folks have a nice day". After that, I'd rather avoid the hassle. If everything were to goes as it should, the "bad guys" won't know I have it till they hear shots.
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I didn't vote because my answer is not there. I support open carry and will open carry when the opportunity arises. This is one thing I really enjoy about living in Indiana. I was of the "conceal so you can surprise the bad guy" mindset until I did some research on the topic, which led me to this:

The Open Carry Argument

This is a long read, but I encourage you to read it no matter what side of the aisle you're on in this debate. You should also click the link about halfway through and read as much of that as you can.

I'm wondering if this will spark as much conversation here as in the forum where I originally found this. Lots of OC'ers and lots of die-hard CC'ers. That thread is a sticky and has 950+ replies as of right now.
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