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View Poll Results: Concealed vs. Open carry
I feel concealed carry is wrong, we should exercise our rights openly 10 2.13%
I support open carry, but conceal most of the time. 231 49.15%
My state doesn't allow open carry 50 10.64%
I think open carry presents more liabilities than benefits, but shouldn't be illegal 145 30.85%
I think open carry advocates hurt gunowners by picking a fight we already won 34 7.23%
Voters: 470. You may not vote on this poll

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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:08 AM   #31
 
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Voted: I think open carry presents more liabilities than benefits, but shouldn't be illegal.

Illinois is a No Carry state but if it were possible to carry, I would do so concealed. Especially in urban areas. BUT, if out in rural or remote areas and/or where carry is fully accepted, then why not?



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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:17 AM   #32
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I support open carry if it is an option. Personally, I conceal carry in the city (ie. urban) areas, cause like another poster noted, there are a lot of people who just can't handle seeing someone openly carrying a firearm and most likely would jump to the wrong conclusion.
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I support open carry if it is an option. Personally, I conceal carry in the city (ie. urban) areas, cause like another poster noted, there are a lot of people who just can't handle seeing someone openly carrying a firearm and most likely would jump to the wrong conclusion.
I agree with this thought. Plus, if the criminal element see you are carrying open, they will either leave you alone or sneak up behind you, so I condone concealed in certain situations.
On the other hand,
The reason I didn't vote in this poll is because my state allows open carry, and I agree that this is your right to do so. I don't think people that open carry hurt our cause, but in fact strengthen it. It's our right. (Have I said this before? )
Use it, or loose it. Why would someone say we have the right to open carry, then in the next breath say we shouldn't because it will hurt our cause?
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I believe we would have less crime if everyone was packing open
Col. Jeff Cooper said that an "Armed Society is a Polite Society. "
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Concealed carry is your ace in the hole........ Period!
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My personal preference is to CC. That being said, I think if you can leagally open carry and wish too you should, society is a product of a over active media. You cannot turn a TV on without seeing how evil guns are. The remark about having your gun taken from you, if you carry and arent aware of your surroundings then yes it can be taken from you.
I think you should have above average situational awareness if you are carrying a gun or you should simply not carry. The problem with the whol OC/CC movement is that people who have no training are carrying guns, alot of the mishaps or negligent discharge I hear about could have been prevented with training.
Now I know some states don't require training, and I don't condone state enforced training, but as a responsible gun carrying citizen I took it upon mysef to get further training and I plan to do so from time to time to maintain proficiency. Sorry for the long rant but just some things I felt needed saying.

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This is a non-argument. LEOs confront the bad guys every day. Of course there are going to be instances of that kind of thing. The only time this has been reported as happening to a non-LEO who was openly carrying was proven to be a hoax.

Your average person who OCs is not a mall ninja, like some of you seem to think. They just carry a legally holstered firearm in a retention holster (if they're smart) and go about their lives. They don't approach trouble just for the sake of it. They avoid it if they can.

Face it. You're uncomfortable with OC. That's fine. Not everyone has the brass for it. Personally, I've been doing it for a couple of years now and have only ever had 1 bad encounter, and that was with a woman who yelling at me about how much I was scaring everyone. Sort of an oxymoron of an encounter. I mean, why yell at someone who is armed if they scare you so much?

Anyway, back on track. Before you condemn or denigrate OC please check it out for yourself. Go to the website and contact some people in your area. Go to a meet and get to know them a little. We're really not a bad bunch of guys and gals.
I have to assume your referring to me since you quoted me.
I thought I made myself quite clear...I live in Washington State also... and I couldn't care less if you walked around with a gun taped to your forehead.
I'm in total favor of your right to carry openly if you so desire.
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I wasn't arguing.
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"The only time this has been reported as happening to non-LEO who was openly carrying was proven to be a hoax".
Great news! Hope it stays that way.
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"Face it. You're uncomfortable with OC. That's fine. Not everyone has the brass for it".
BRASS???...do you have an ego issue?
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"Personally, I've been doing it for a couple of years now and have only ever had 1 bad encounter.
Glad for you that your 1 bad encounter was nothing more serious than a loud mouthed lady.
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"Before you condemn or denigrate OC please check it out for yourself.
Again, I'm not condemning, denigrating, or arguing.
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OK, I'll buy that.
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Face it. You're uncomfortable with OC. That's fine. Not everyone has the brass for it. Personally, I've been doing it for a couple of years now and have only ever had 1 bad encounter, and that was with a woman who yelling at me about how much I was scaring everyone. Sort of an oxymoron of an encounter. I mean, why yell at someone who is armed if they scare you so much?
Bookman ... I'm personally not afraid of or uncomfortable with OC (and have plenty of brass ). While I'm 100% in agreement with anyone's right to OC if they choose to do so, I think that you would agree (and logic dictates) that those who OC do put themselves at greater risk of being the target of the police responding to a "man with a gun" call or at minimum creating an uncomfortable situation such as your encounter with the screaming woman.

Accordingly, since I understand in advance that many people (who do not automatically know my intentions) will be uncomfortable if I walk up to (or past) them displaying a firearm at the local mall, Walmart, kiddie park, etc., It simply makes more sense (from my viewpoint) for me to carry concealed when I'm not on my property or at the range, given the fact that the entire reason that I carry is to protect myself and my family and reduce my risk of being a victim of a violent crime.

The bottom line for me .... While I am a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment as well as all of the Freedoms and Protections enumerated in our Constitution, I choose to exercise my right to bear arms in a quiet and responsible way and as a private matter.
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The bottom line for me .... While I am a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment as well as all of the Freedoms and Protections enumerated in our Constitution, I choose to exercise my right to bear arms in a quiet and responsible way and as a private matter.
This pretty much sums it up for me; I don't like drawing attention to myself, so I wouldn't open carry if I could. It's comforting to me to have my gun tucked away on my side, and an openly carried gun would do the opposite.
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Bookman ... I'm personally not afraid of or uncomfortable with OC (and have plenty of brass ). While I'm 100% in agreement with anyone's right to OC if they choose to do so, I think that you would agree (and logic dictates) that those who OC do put themselves at greater risk of being the target of the police responding to a "man with a gun" call or at minimum creating an uncomfortable situation such as your encounter with the screaming woman.

Accordingly, since I understand in advance that many people (who do not automatically know my intentions) will be uncomfortable if I walk up to (or past) them displaying a firearm at the local mall, Walmart, kiddie park, etc., It simply makes more sense (from my viewpoint) for me to carry concealed when I'm not on my property or at the range, given the fact that the entire reason that I carry is to protect myself and my family and reduce my risk of being a victim of a violent crime.

The bottom line for me .... While I am a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment as well as all of the Freedoms and Protections enumerated in our Constitution, I choose to exercise my right to bear arms in a quiet and responsible way and as a private matter.
I am with the Buckman!
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I carry concealed just about 75 percent of the time! However, when on our acreage, I carry "Open" as it is far easier for me to get to the pistol if I should need to quickly. I also use a different type of holster and pistol etc.

In the rural area's I think you will find a few who open carry on their farms but NOT into the small towns etc. I live in a very rual area and I have not seen one open carry in the last 3 weeks, weather that be a sporting goods store, bank, food store...........it is just NOT that prevalent period. Most carry concealed no matter in rural or urban areas in my state.
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How many police officers have been disarmed and injured or killed with their own firearms because the bad guy knew they were armed and where their firearm was located on their person?Am I as well trained in firearms retention as a police officer...nope.
I believe in the right to openly carry, but I'm not going to.
I was going to just read and keep my mouth shut, but this is too much.

I am a retired LEO. I carried a gun openly in both uniform or plain clothes for over twenty years. Living in Texas, I am now forced to carry concealed rather than in the open, because that is all the law will allow. Carrying concealed means that the gun's shape cannot print and reveal it's presence or I am in violation of the law. So, I carry in a fanny pack that screams "Gun!", but it doesn't print. so I'm legal. Everyone knows that the pack contains a gun, but I like it that way.

I would rather carry openly because I firmly believe in carrying enough gun, and that means a full size .40 S&W or better yet a .45 ACP, not only because of the knockdown capacity, but also the accuracy at longer ranges. Also, I have had a lot of training and an immeasureable amount of practice, which I continue to this day. I can draw and lay down accurate fire from an open carry holster in about 1/6th the time it takes to draw from true concealment. Concealed carry is a huge detriment to rapid reaction and deployment of a weapon under life threatening conditions


The reference to cops being disarmed is a lame comparison to a non LEO carrying by any means. Cops are disarmed and killed with their own weapons because they are actively CONFRONTING people that they either know or suspect to be engaged in illegal behaviour. This means chasing them down, tackling, them and placing them in handcuffs. Most if not all these perps would have rather walked away without even being noticed by the officer, but they fight to avoid going back to jail. I know. I've had to fight like !@#$ to keep my gun, and it was because I was arresting a fellow, who did not want to go back to jail again.

The average citizen is not going to be confronting these folks and presenting them with the prospect of arrest. Whether a person openly carries a weapon or not, the "Predators" are going to size you up, and most of the time, if you are carrying openly they are going to see the gun and wait for an unarmed "Grazer", (No Fangs) who will be an easy mark. They are smart enough to know that dying in order to effect a robbery is not as noble as dying for Mom, Country, or Apple Pie.


If Texas allowed open carry, I'd certainly do it.
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#2, #4, & #5 would be my choices but I can't pick all 3 so i didn't vote.
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