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Old February 13th, 2017, 06:58 PM   #1
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Dud round in my carry magazine

Spent a day this weekend plinking with the family, burning up a lot of my .22 stash from the Obama days. (Remember those awful times?? God I'm glad they're over )

Anyhoo... I almost didn't shoot my pocket LCP but decided to shoot up my carry magazine and the spare one I keep in the other pocket. Lo and behold, I got a dud round! Looked like good primer strike. Just didn't go off. Re-loaded it and it went off the second time.

In all my years of shooting I don't recall many dud centerfire experiences from name-brand, factory ammo, but this just goes to show that the life of a pocket pistol is pretty extreme. Wet with sweat and humidity in the summer working outdoors. Sub-zero cold temps in the winter when I've got to leave it in the vehicle due to carry restrictions in certain places, or conversely in the summer when it's probably 150+ in a parked vehicle.

Just a good reminder to me that I've GOT to burn up and replace that ammo more often. This was Winchester PDX1 and about 12-18 months of carry.




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Understand your surprise; I make it a habit to shoot out my carry loads & swap-out mags quarterly.
Same goes for the back-up snub; fire out the cylinder & re-load speed loader.
FWIW have never had a dud in many years of EDC.
Good confidence builder that.
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I had a Hornady Critical Defense 38 Special +p round fail to fire once. I hit the primer 3 times in my S&W 638, No Go. I put it in my 3" GP100, also No Go. The ammo was fresh out of the box, never carried.
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Instructor at my last shooting class told me he shoots and replaces his EDC SD ammo every 6 months. I have been doing it monthly, but mainly for practice to compare with the cheap range ammo I shoot regularly. But 6 months is a good upper limit to set.
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Spent a day this weekend plinking with the family, burning up a lot of my .22 stash from the Obama days. (Remember those awful times?? God I'm glad they're over )

Anyhoo... I almost didn't shoot my pocket LCP but decided to shoot up my carry magazine and the spare one I keep in the other pocket. Lo and behold, I got a dud round! Looked like good primer strike. Just didn't go off. Re-loaded it and it went off the second time.

In all my years of shooting I don't recall many dud centerfire experiences from name-brand, factory ammo, but this just goes to show that the life of a pocket pistol is pretty extreme. Wet with sweat and humidity in the summer working outdoors. Sub-zero cold temps in the winter when I've got to leave it in the vehicle due to carry restrictions in certain places, or conversely in the summer when it's probably 150+ in a parked vehicle.

Just a good reminder to me that I've GOT to burn up and replace that ammo more often. This was Winchester PDX1 and about 12-18 months of carry.
Why would you think the age of the round would have any impact on what happened? Usually if a centerfire round fires with a second strike, the primer was not fully seated. It likely would have done the same the day it was made. Carrying it 1.5 years wouldn't matter. There is no need to be burning defense ammo just to be doing so. You want to run the gun, fine. Put some plinkers in it and go to town, but shooting up older defense ammo is the same as throwing away money

I recently shot some reloads I found in my dads old stuff. The recipe sticker on the box was dated 1961. Shot just as well as new ammo. There really is no shelf life on ammo

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Hey Feral, did you see Laiderj's latest, Hangfire catastrophe?

Consider yourself quite lucky!
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I will say that I've found factory ammunition to be very reliable, even after years of storage.
Oil will deactivate a primer but most factory loaded self-defense ammunition has some type of sealant applied to the primer to help guard against that failure. I've seen some gun owners that drown their guns in oil and I've seen dud rounds as a result of that excess oil.

Just a safety tip, the inside if a magazine should be clean but not dripping with oil. Not only will the oil attract dirt but it will also increase the odds of oil migrating into the primer pocket and damaging a primer. Cleaning and oiling a steel magazine is fine but it shouldn't be over oiled.
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I had a similar experience. It was the round in the chamber that failed to go off, failed again on second strike. Fired off the next 3 rounds to insure it was shell and not gun.

Sent manufacturer an email describing my displeasure with the results, as this ammo was in my CCW and could have had disastrous results, considering it was the shell in the chamber!

The balance of the box of ammo went back to manufacturer at their request for testing. Been over six weeks now, haven't heard anything from them.
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Why would you think the age of the round would have any impact on what happened?
Why would you think that I think that the "age of the round" had any impact on what happened? Yes most of us have shot up decades old ammo that's been sitting around, and yes it does reliably go off.

I didn't say that it was years or decades old ammo. It's actually relatively new ammo. What I'm postulating is that -- even though it's modern defense ammo -- pocket carry combined with leaving the gun in the vehicle when I can't carry (my work place is gun-free) may be more extreme than decades in a drawer. The oldest ammo I've shot was stored in a grandparent's garage but it was an attached garage so it probably never got above 100 or below freezing. A vehicle in the summer can reportedly get to 170+, and around these parts in the winter you're looking at frequent sub-zeros. Then on top of that in the summertime it's not uncommon for the pocket holster to be soaked with sweat all day when I'm working outdoors.

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Hey Feral, did you see Laiderj's latest, Hangfire catastrophe?

Consider yourself quite lucky!
Well I always keep a rimfire dud pointed downrange for 30 seconds, and did it with this centerfire too. And I certainly would never point it toward genitalia or major arteries, even after 30 seconds.

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Just a safety tip, the inside if a magazine should be clean but not dripping with oil. Not only will the oil attract dirt but it will also increase the odds of oil migrating into the primer pocket and damaging a primer. Cleaning and oiling a steel magazine is fine but it shouldn't be over oiled.
Duly noted. My pistols are "Froglube" waxed but very lightly. The magazines are cleaned on the inside but not oiled.
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Why would you think that I think that the "age of the round" had any impact on what happened? Yes most of us have shot up decades old ammo that's been sitting around, and yes it does reliably go off.

I didn't say that it was years or decades old ammo. It's actually relatively new ammo. What I'm postulating is that -- even though it's modern defense ammo -- pocket carry combined with leaving the gun in the vehicle when I can't carry (my work place is gun-free) may be more extreme than decades in a drawer. The oldest ammo I've shot was stored in a grandparent's garage but it was an attached garage so it probably never got above 100 or below freezing. A vehicle in the summer can reportedly get to 170+, and around these parts in the winter you're looking at frequent sub-zeros. Then on top of that in the summertime it's not uncommon for the pocket holster to be soaked with sweat all day when I'm working outdoors.


Uhhhh, because thats what you said. Your last line said you have GOT to cycle through your carry ammo more often and this had been in the mag 12-18 months. That's what you said, not me. So I took that as you blaming the failure to fire on age. If that was not the intent, it looked that way.

As already mentioned above, self defense ammo is designed with the fact that it may remain in a gun for years. Sealed primers, different bullet designs, etc, for just such an occurrence. And as I said, if you want to go out and run through your carry ammo often, that's obviously your prerogative. All I said was that it wasn't needed. Your failure to fire was almost certainly a not fully seated primer........not because it had been in the gun for months
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Uhhhh, because thats what you said. Your last line said you have GOT to cycle through your carry ammo more often and this had been in the mag 12-18 months. That's what you said, not me. So I took that as you blaming the failure to fire on age. If that was not the intent, it looked that way.
I see. I don't consider 12-18 months to be of advanced age if it's stored in normal conditions, but my presumption is that this much time going between damp, very hot, and very cold could have been the cause.

Could have been that way from the factory, too.

At about a buck a round for SD ammo, and carrying 6+1 plus another six-round spare, I'm thinkin' I'll shell out $13 every six months or so to shoot up those carry rounds.
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Even though SD rounds are more expensive, I almost always shoot one or two magazines at the range - generally the last mags I shoot. I don't see how shooting a 100 rounds of range FMJ verifies everything is working just great when your not going to carry that same ammo. HP/SD ammo doesn't always feed and function just like the stuff you're punching paper with. It's worth the extra cost for a dozen or so rounds to be sure it's all good IMHO.
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HP/SD ammo doesn't always feed and function just like the stuff you're punching paper with.
Unless you buy into the Winchester "train and defend" stuff. I have to admit I'm kinda warming up to that idea.
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Unless you buy into the Winchester "train and defend" stuff. I have to admit I'm kinda warming up to that idea.
Have to admit I wasn't that familiar with the train and defend concept. Went to Winchester's website to check it out. Looks like they're targeting new shooters and particularly female new shooters. Don't know why they're narrowing their market but the general concept makes sense.
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Whichever ammo I have in my EDC, I put new rounds every 6 months. I shoot the ones that are in the mag just to be sure of firing properly. I'll buy 3 boxes, shoot one (a few rounds from each box) then load up my mags. I do rotate the rounds every couple of weeks so the magazine springs relax & then get tension again.
FWIW - This allows me to get the feel of self defense ammo instead of the plinking ammo while at the range
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