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View Poll Results: What would you prefer if you knew you would be in a gun fight this morning?
Handgun of your choice 20 22.99%
An AR type rifle 39 44.83%
A 12ga pump shotgun with 8 rd capacity 28 32.18%
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Old February 9th, 2017, 03:31 PM   #31
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First of all, who is the arbiter of what is the 'correct answer'. It's just one man's opinion and it's no more or less valid than mine or yours. I'm not gonna play this game because there is no 'correct answer'. Too many variables.

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Old February 9th, 2017, 03:44 PM   #32
 
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It's a catch 22, in reality, you never know when you'll

be in a gunfight, your EDC is a compromise. You carry

the best caliber, with the max comfortable rounds, and the

heaviest weight you can bear. What you would carry to the gunfight

isn't practical, or you would EDC that. If we could all EDC a shotgun

or AR, we wouldn't all be buying holsters for LCPs.
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So the person(s) would come to your home and shoot at you in bed.
The way the question is phrased there is no avoiding the gunfight.
Stay in bed, you're going to be in a gunfight.
Go to store, gunfight.
Go fishing, gunfight.
Hide, gunfight.
Since it's unavoidable, shotgun with 00 & slugs.

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Yes, this is the correct interpretation of the phrased question. I would not stay in bed because I haven't practiced shooting from my bed. Sounds like a death trap. I would hang out at the top of a spiral stone castle stairwell with a shotgun. Am I allowed grenades?
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It's a catch 22, in reality, you never know when you'll

be in a gunfight, your EDC is a compromise. You carry

the best caliber, with the max comfortable rounds, and the

heaviest weight you can bear. What you would carry to the gunfight

isn't practical, or you would EDC that. If we could all EDC a shotgun

or AR, we wouldn't all be buying holsters for LCPs.
Yes, in normal life, since we don't know if and when, we compromise the battle effectiveness with the probability of the battle. But if the probability is 100% then we would all carry the larger weapon.
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Yes, in normal life, since we don't know if and when, we compromise the battle effectiveness with the probability of the battle. But if the probability is 100% then we would all carry the larger weapon.
Sorry, it just seems like a BS question. For instance, if you can

tell you are going to get into a gunfight this AM, you then know

that you are safe, the rest of the time? So, then you don't have to carry

a gun, at all, except for when you know you'll be attacked. It would make

CCW permits moot.
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Awww... Man. That was disappointing. I just re-read the original question to see if I missed something. This was more flawed logic than trick question. If you can avoid the gunfight then I guess you don't KNOW you're going to be in a gun fight. I'm glad you didn't mention the name instructor who told you this or I'd have to boycott his course for lack of cleverness.
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Didn't get as much response as I thought it might, so I'll give a little explanation and THE correct answer.

This question came from a guy that is an instructor for one of the defensive training schools. Teaches firearms, batons, etc. He is also a certified instructor for CCW classes in a few states.

The question is VERY vague, and he would not elaborate, make your choice.

So here is THE correct answer.

"If I knew that I was going to be in a gun fight this morning, I'd stay in bed!"

The whole intent of this question was to confuse you thinking which weapon, but forgetting the KNOW part. If you KNOW, you can avoid it.

Some replies did state such an answer, and you were correct.

Those of you wanting more info, just as I did, weren't thinking about the KNOW part, and got caught up in the weapons.

Just as the instructor intended!
I'm going to count that as one I got right - I'd plan to be somewhere else!

But thinking about the weapon I'd choose if I couldn't get out of it, would be a gun I sold a few years back cause I needed the money.

I bought it for my EDC but realized after I bought it, it was really hard to conceal. But it was a sweet shooter. Accurate and held enough ammo for WWIII. My Springfield XDm9c with the Trijicon HD sights I had put on. It held something like 20 + 1, great trigger, mild recoil and one of the guns I shot most accurately. I wound up carrying my SR9c with the short mag and OWB Winthrop leather holster. I then went to a Colt Defender and usually carry my Sig P238 now with some outrageous Carbon FMJ's. The ballistics rival hot 9mm HP's and beats them in penetration.

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Lmao!

Hmmm, this was meant in response to that beautiful A-10!

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Didn't get as much response as I thought it might, so I'll give a little explanation and THE correct answer.

This question came from a guy that is an instructor for one of the defensive training schools. Teaches firearms, batons, etc. He is also a certified instructor for CCW classes in a few states.

The question is VERY vague, and he would not elaborate, make your choice.

So here is THE correct answer.

"If I knew that I was going to be in a gun fight this morning, I'd stay in bed!"

The whole intent of this question was to confuse you thinking which weapon, but forgetting the KNOW part. If you KNOW, you can avoid it.

Some replies did state such an answer, and you were correct.

Those of you wanting more info, just as I did, weren't thinking about the KNOW part, and got caught up in the weapons.

Just as the instructor intended!

What's wrong with a gun fight? I love the smell of gun powder in the morning.
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I'd leave the area to avoid a gunfight, just like most people would.

However, if somehow I'm followed and cornered with just enough time for me to pick what I could, I'd want to keep the gunfight as far away from me as possible. So, I'd choose an auto-loading rifle. "Legal" engagement distances to be considered for sure, but I'd want the option of further than defense handgun range in a worst case scenario.

Back before the widespread use of cell phones, I truly thought I was going to be cornered by some bad fellows one time. My centerfire firearm options were okay, but they felt inadequate to me at the same time. One was a .357 magnum revolver, one was a single shot 12 gauge, and one was an SKS.

I chose the SKS but I still wanted more firepower. Luckily, the threat went away.
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I went with the AR-15 because it's handy enough in close quarters, packs a punch and has a 30-round magazine.

My "rule of thumb" has always been that if I expect to get in a gunfight, I either won't go there or, if I can't avoid it, I'll start the engagement from as long a distance as practical.


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If I knew there was going to be a gun fight I would stay home.
But out of the choices offered it is a toss up between the AR and shotgun. I picked the AR because I have to leave for church and didn't want to think about.
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Yes, in normal life, since we don't know if and when, we compromise the battle effectiveness with the probability of the battle. But if the probability is 100% then we would all carry the larger weapon.
Sorry, it just seems like a BS question. For instance, if you can

tell you are going to get into a gunfight this AM, you then know

that you are safe, the rest of the time? So, then you don't have to carry

a gun, at all, except for when you know you'll be attacked. It would make

CCW permits moot.
Totally agree. The probability of a gunfight in normal life is less than 100% and greater than 0%. Based on this a hangun is a good EDC.
The question is trying to be clever but flawed.
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To be best prepaired for any scenario, up close to 70+ yards, an AR with a collapsible stock would have to be my choice. Under 10 yards there would be no great advantage with any of the three since the tightly clumped charge from the shotgun would not be much different from the single slug from the handgun or rifle. Beyond 10 yards the handgun would start to loose effectiveness because of accuracy issues, the payload from the shotgun would begin to cover a larger area and the rifle would still be quite accurate. Approaching 70 yards the shotgun would maintain a slight advantage over the rifle in ease of hitting the target. Beyond that distance the only choice would be the rifle since the shot charge from the shotgun would be thinly spread and each pellet would be depleted of much of its energy while the handgun would have major accuracy issues.
So, without knowing the the circumstances my choice would be the AR since it is at no real disadvantage at any range and the only choice at longer ranges.
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