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Old February 4th, 2017, 09:53 AM   #1
 
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Low recoil = wife who will carry?

Before anyone gets into the whole "mouse gun" bashing or grousing that anything below .380 is a worthless PD round, please here me out.

Been trying for months to get my wife to carry daily with no success. Much of her consternation has to do with not only the weight of the gun (does not accessorize well with her outfits), but also the sting of recoil.

So, this weekend we're going to the range to try a small Taurus PLY22 semi auto, a 22 mag revolver, the LCR .327 loaded with SW Long 100 grain wadcutters, and the LCR .38sp loaded with Hornady low recoil PD rounds (not +P).

I'm guessing the kick on the little 22 and the 22 mag is going to be too much for her liking. Same for the .38sp low recoil. But, I'm hoping the 32 long wadcutters will hit the sweet spot and she'll start carrying that.

I know 32's are generally not considered man stoppers but six rounds of 100 grain wadcutter is better than a can of pepper spray. Besides, with enough practice, she might just start to like it enough to move up to 32 H&R or even the 38 low recoil.




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Lol, I was actually going to suggest a .22 or better yet a .22 mag. A .22 mag, while yes is still just a rimfire round....it's no slouch. That's a mean little round.
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It's all perception. But a smaller round in a smaller gun doesn't always result in less recoil. That being said my 5 foot tall 110 pound wife carries a compact cut 1911 in .45 with her tiny hands and loves it.
But, if she already has her mind set then "If momma ain't happy, nobody happy" LOL
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Lol, I was actually going to suggest a .22 or better yet a .22 mag. A .22 mag, while yes is still just a rimfire round....it's no slouch. That's a mean little round.
Yup. It is a nasty little bugger and dang fast even out of a snub nose. Not looking for expansion as much as her being comfortable shooting multiple rounds on target. (She's a regular Annie Oakley with the 10/22.)
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Try to find some target wadcutters for that 38 too. Deep penetration with those and lower recoil.
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Try to find some target wadcutters for that 38 too. Deep penetration with those and lower recoil.
Yeah. I was looking for those when I bought the other ammo online the other day. Couldn't find any on the site I was visiting. And those things are hard to find around here in the LGS. I figure if the wife carries the .327, I'll go back to the .38sp. Keeping my fingers crossed that she likes one of the combinations I've cooked up here.
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I have lcr's in .22 mag and .327. The .22 mag shoots very nice, and hopefully suits her fine. Its not bad really. Full .327 loads are a handful. You may want to try some .32 h&r too. Im no expert, but I almost think I would rather carry cci v-max hollow points in .22 mag than soft .32's. Mostly due to penetration differences. It would be an interesting ballistics test.
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Try an LCR with Ruger ARX 38SP 77gr. Lightweight, decent ballistics, and recoil is manageable.
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I have lcr's in .22 mag and .327. The .22 mag shoots very nice, and hopefully suits her fine. Its not bad really. Full .327 loads are a handful. You may want to try some .32 h&r too. Im no expert, but I almost think I would rather carry cci v-max hollow points in .22 mag than soft .32's. Mostly due to penetration differences. It would be an interesting ballistics test.
The 22 mag I have is a Taurus (941 I think) and holds 8 rounds. I just don't want to trust her safety to a rimfire round. But if it is what she prefers, then that's what we'll start with.

The .327 is what we're going to try the 32 SW long wadcutter in. I carry it now with full load Speer .327 and it is downright painful to shoot more than a cylinder or two. No way I would subject my wife to that. My whole goal is to get her comfortable with carrying daily.
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Let her carry what she wants, as long as she carries. A 32 is a good option, my wife OC's a 32-20 Colt Police Positive. It is loaded light with 83 grain Berrry's plated wadcutters at 1100 fps. Not screamers but probably a little more than a 22 magnum, mild recoil. She does also purse carry a SMC380, recoil about the same as a PPK.
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The 22 mag I have is a Taurus (941 I think) and holds 8 rounds. I just don't want to trust her safety to a rimfire round. But if it is what she prefers, then that's what we'll start with.

The .327 is what we're going to try the 32 SW long wadcutter in. I carry it now with full load Speer .327 and it is downright painful to shoot more than a cylinder or two. No way I would subject my wife to that. My whole goal is to get her comfortable with carrying daily.
Try using a 32 H&R wadcutter, it will still be loud, but the bullet is seated deep in the case using less powder. Less powder means less muzzle blast, and helps reduce recoil. My H&R is a little on the stiff side at 98 grain WC at 1250 fps. Very controllable, but still loud.
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It's all perception. But a smaller round in a smaller gun doesn't always result in less recoil. That being said my 5 foot tall 110 pound wife carries a compact cut 1911 in .45 with her tiny hands and loves it.
But, if she already has her mind set then "If momma ain't happy, nobody happy" LOL
My X was almost the same size as your wife and she carried a Taurus PT145 and loved to shoot it!
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Before anyone gets into the whole "mouse gun" bashing or grousing that anything below .380 is a worthless PD round, please here me out.

Been trying for months to get my wife to carry daily with no success. Much of her consternation has to do with not only the weight of the gun (does not accessorize well with her outfits), but also the sting of recoil.

So, this weekend we're going to the range to try a small Taurus PLY22 semi auto, a 22 mag revolver, the LCR .327 loaded with SW Long 100 grain wadcutters, and the LCR .38sp loaded with Hornady low recoil PD rounds (not +P).

I'm guessing the kick on the little 22 and the 22 mag is going to be too much for her liking. Same for the .38sp low recoil. But, I'm hoping the 32 long wadcutters will hit the sweet spot and she'll start carrying that.

I know 32's are generally not considered man stoppers but six rounds of 100 grain wadcutter is better than a can of pepper spray. Besides, with enough practice, she might just start to like it enough to move up to 32 H&R or even the 38 low recoil.

I've heard said that "Any gun is better than NO gun" and I tend to agree with that. My wife has been training with a LCR .22WMR. Her first time out she was shooting 10" - 12" groupings and was real comfortable with the recoil. I think half the battle for accuracy is not anticipating harsh recoil. She is going for her CCW come spring. Once she's comfortable shooting consistently with that I'd like to introduce her to some Ruger ARX ammo in 38 special as I've heard many good things about it and its low recoil.
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Let her carry what she wants, as long as she carries. A 32 is a good option, my wife OC's a 32-20 Colt Police Positive. It is loaded light with 83 grain Berrry's plated wadcutters at 1100 fps. Not screamers but probably a little more than a 22 magnum, mild recoil. She does also purse carry a SMC380, recoil about the same as a PPK.
That's the initial goal. Get her comfortable with whatever she likes and slowly work our way up to what she feels is best. Might take a while to get to the 32H&R but we shall see. Baby steps.

My end goal is that she carry every day and maybe want to go to the range to practice.

Been trying to gently encourage her for many months now.
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I kinda had the same issue with my wife. She wasnt so scared of the recoil as she was the noise.

I got her shooting my ruger single six in 22 mag, and she got used to it and really liked it.( once she got over the noise thing).

When she did finally ask me for a conceal carry, we went with the LCR 22 mag. We tried a SR 22, and besides the fact it was too confusing for a beginner, it was a POS IMO, and I would not have allowed her to carry it. No way was it reliable enough.
As was already mentioned, the 22 mag is a very nasty little round indeed for SD. And better penetration than a .38.
She ended up liking the LCR 22 mag so much, that when she did finally start shooting my CZ PCR 9mm, she made it very clear that if we had to get rid of the LCR to get her a 9mm, she was not interested. ( funny, I wouldnt have let her get rid of it,, but she DONT know that, LOL. )

SHe now has both a LCR 22 mag, and a CZ Rami 9mm decocker. . The Rami is a great little 9mm, and with the slide design, pretty low recoil for a 9mm. The CZ's generally come factory with really good triggers too. And the Rami and MOST CZ PRC models, come with pretty good combat night sights. So they are generally ready to go right out of the box. And with all my CZ's, they are VERY accurate and run 100% reliable.

All three of these models are very safe to carry loaded, say in a purse, which was a concern of mine.. They simple WILL NOT go bang unless the trigger is pulled fully to the rear. Accidental discharges with decockers are really impossible once decocked. And the LCR has a pretty stiff trigger.


Another really nice 9mm with low recoil is the Sig 938. My daughter in law has one, and I must say, I am pretty impressed with it. Also very accurate and really good night sights. But I wouldnt like my wife carrying a cocked and locked. She dont pay enough attention to suit me. .

My wifes favorite is still the LCR 22 mag. The addition of a $25 fiber optic HiViz front sight really made a huge improvement on both visability and accuracy. 1/2 the game was just telling her it was a 22 caliber JUST like she was already shooting and liked. This one has NO recoil to speak of shooting CCI TMJ ammo, but does have a pretty audible crack. Just make sure she is wearing a good set of ear muffs to kill the noise, and she should be good to go.
Good luck. Sometimes getting your wife shooting is one of those enigma's, wrapped in a riddle, surrounded by controversy.
My wife just wasnt going to bite until SHE was ready. For 20 years she used to make smart comments about me carrying . Now she carrys and shoots all the time.

But the LCR 22 mag was perfect for a beginner, and really is a very nice, safe, reliable, little revolver.

Good Luck.
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