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Old January 15th, 2017, 04:16 PM   #1
 
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Question for states that don't require a permit

I see both MN and ND have had bills introduced which I believe would allow folks to carry without the current training, fees, application to the sheriff's dept. etc. Is that how it is in your state? Is there no background check?

If it is this way I'm struggling to see that it's a good thing. Not so sure I want carrying with no restrictions. What am I not seeing?



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Old January 15th, 2017, 04:23 PM   #2
 
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Good question.....I don't see it as a good thing.
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You're missing the fact that criminals carry anyway, and financial barriers or background checks to excersise a civil right are unconstitutional. Background checks and permits are security theater. Constitutional carry is not as scary as FUDDS and anti-civil rights activits make it sound. Don't be afraid.
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Maine went to no permit required for concealed carry last year. Personally, I don't think it's a good idea, but I haven't heard much fuss about it either way. I still maintain my cc permit ($20 every 4 years) as proof of my having met the qualifications and a form of ID. Saw on the news recently that New Hampshire is considering doing the same thing as Maine.
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Did you ever hunt quail? If so, you know you don't want to go surrounded by first time hunters that are there only because they could afford a new shotgun. My brother in-law still has a pellet in his neck near his spinal cord if you need a better description. I understand the concept of permitless carry but I support mandatory training.

That said, my state of Missouri has permitless carry but since permit holders have more rights, it's not really constitutional carry
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NH will pass Constitutional Carry this year all the cards are in place. It should have been passed years ago but the Dem Gov's kept vetoing it. You can still get a permit if you want and we have no requirements that have to be met to get one other than a background check by your local PD.

Training while it is a very good thing and I highly recommend it should not be a requirement for you to carry nor should you need to pay a fee or submit to any hoop that you have to jump through in order to use a right granted to you by the Constitution.

As gun owners for every inch we give up it ends up being a foot lost before we know it. It is long past time to stop giving a inch and time to start taking back the feet we lost.
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Does anyone think the bad guys care a hoot about training? Training is a good idea because we're responsible and don't want to hurt anyone. My CCW class emphasized stopping the threat and not shooting innocent bystanders. Bad guys don't care about the innocent, so it's better to carry without training than to be a victim.
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You're missing the fact that criminals carry anyway, and financial barriers or background checks to excersise a civil right are unconstitutional. Background checks and permits are security theater. Constitutional carry is not as scary as FUDDS and anti-civil rights activits make it sound. Don't be afraid.
^^^^^ This

Well said ddub. Sums it up nicely.
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If your state offers a permit I would still get it.
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You don't need a permit in Arizona to conceal. I have one anyway so I can buy a gun without the phone call.
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You don't need a permit in Arizona to conceal. I have one anyway so I can buy a gun without the phone call.
What are the Arizona requirements to get the permit to conceal?
In MN you can get a permit to buy a handgun by applying at the local sheriff and passing their background check. Then when you actually buy a gun you're ran through again, I assume to see if you've done anything bad since the last time. The carry permit requires a class from an approved instructor with an easy shooting requirement, then back to the sheriff for another check. With the permit to carry youre still run through the system when you buy a gun.

I thought the permit to carry class was educational re the law at least. If I remember right the shooting requirement was a large grouping at 7', 15', 25'. I've heard of some that couldn't hit the close ones but I imagine
they get enough chances in order to pass.
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"As gun owners for every inch we give up it ends up being a foot lost before we know it. It is long past time to stop giving a inch and time to start taking back the feet we lost."

Never thought of it that way....that's why this forum is Terrific, there's always a different perspective.
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Good question.....I don't see it as a good thing.
Regardless of whether it's "a good thing," it's our right.
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We require a permit for CCW but don't require one for open carry. Neither one requires training. There are no issues because of this. Responsible people are going to seek out training on their own. Many that have grown up w/ guns don't need it. Training, and the resulting cost, should not be mandatory.

I don't trust all people that have gone through training to carry responsibly. So it's no different w/ people that haven't gone through it. The beauty w/ concealed is that you shouldn't be able to tell who's carrying. There are so many other things to worry about in life.
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We went from a May Issue to a Shall Issue State and are working on concealed carry with-out a permit. We are already an open carry state.

Before you can buy any firearm here you have to apply for a permit to purchase through your local Sheriffs Dept. Takes a day or two and is good for one year. IF you have a CCW permit, that's good for 5 years and can be used to purchase any firearm up to 5 years.

There are plenty of places to get training at all the different levels and most people with any common sense WILL take a safety coarse. It's the know-it-alls, snowflakes, cupcakes and mall ninjas that think they know it all already that get the rest of us in trouble and give us a bad name.

Trouble is, in the "good ol' days, Great Grandpa, passed down to Grandpa, who passed down to his son and on down the family tree hunting skills and shooting safety. That "art" has been lost with the ages. How many Dad's now a days even take their kids fishing ? Let alone take and spend quality time with their kids ?

We were taught gun safety in my youth in school and also in the Boy Scouts. There DOES need to be some Gun Safety Training worked BACK into the equation and it should be back in the schools like it used to be and taught at a young age. It's a part of our heritage that shouldn't be lost.

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