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Old January 16th, 2017, 06:13 AM   #16
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NH will pass Constitutional Carry this year all the cards are in place. It should have been passed years ago but the Dem Gov's kept vetoing it. You can still get a permit if you want and we have no requirements that have to be met to get one other than a background check by your local PD.

Training while it is a very good thing and I highly recommend it should not be a requirement for you to carry nor should you need to pay a fee or submit to any hoop that you have to jump through in order to use a right granted to you by the Constitution.

As gun owners for every inch we give up it ends up being a foot lost before we know it. It is long past time to stop giving a inch and time to start taking back the feet we lost.
Well put. In many states a government bureaucrat or political appointee is deciding whether or not you can carry or even purchase a handgun. As a result their friends and contributors (code for bribes) are getting licenses and everyone else is unqualified. Personally I'll be more than happy to take my chances and keep my freedom.



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Old January 16th, 2017, 06:25 AM   #17
 
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We do not have mandatory training in PA.
We are a Shall Issue state.
We do have licenses to carry, but you just pay $20, pass a criminal background check and get your picture taken.
PA is full of legal seminars, and in every one they tell you to shoot regularly and take a course.
Not that you have to, but if you ever have to use your handgun in self-defense, it will go better for you.
I shoot daily on my property. I am a female. It is a joke among my police officer friends that I shoot more than they do.
For me, I felt that I had to do this for 2 reasons:
1. That I can say, yes I do practice and handle my gun regularly
2. I actually AM comfortable with it if something should happen.
Who knows how I would react in a life or death situation with a gun.
I am an RN, in that type of life or death situation, I just function.
It is one of those things that you just don't know how you will react until you have to react.
I am hoping I never have to use it!
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We don't have to take an english test before we use the first amendment. I am not in favor of having to pass a government test before using the second. These rights are not giving by the government but are God given rights. What God gave me I am not willing to give up.
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What are the Arizona requirements to get the permit to conceal?
In MN you can get a permit to buy a handgun by applying at the local sheriff and passing their background check. Then when you actually buy a gun you're ran through again, I assume to see if you've done anything bad since the last time. The carry permit requires a class from an approved instructor with an easy shooting requirement, then back to the sheriff for another check. With the permit to carry youre still run through the system when you buy a gun.

I thought the permit to carry class was educational re the law at least. If I remember right the shooting requirement was a large grouping at 7', 15', 25'. I've heard of some that couldn't hit the close ones but I imagine
they get enough chances in order to pass.
Basically, you attend 8 hours of educational classes (gun law, practices/procedures, etc)), fire for score ( hit the target 7 or 8 times out of ten) fingerprints, submit to the state. I guesS they do a B I.


Theres no BI done when purchasing another weapon; just present the Permit, they copy the numbers, you pay, then you can play.
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We no longer are required to have a permit for concealed carry here in West Virginia. The problem is that the neighboring states (Ohio and Pennsylvania are only about 12 miles apart in my part of the state) don't recognize this, so if you travel any distance from my home in Wheeling, you are in violation. I, personally, think that the permit system with the accompanying training, is a good idea - I just think the system should be free or a lot cheaper. It currently will cost about $200 for a permit: training (about $125) and a permit from the sheriff's office ($75). I am not opposed to permitless carry, but think permits are a better solution.
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Thanks for all the response. My initial reaction is for some training and background check but you've given food for thought. When I got my MN permit I also applied for Florida to gain some states to carry in. $102. Seems like I heard something about a national bill (maybe here) to even out all the different state requirements, seems unlikely they'd overrule states.
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I love the idea of constitutional carry. The only reason the government wants permits for carry is so they can collect information on gun owners.
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We don't have to take an english test before we use the first amendment. I am not in favor of having to pass a government test before using the second. These rights are not giving by the government but are God given rights. What God gave me I am not willing to give up.
Yeah this. The fudds sold us out a long time ago.
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WE ARE FREE TO CARRY IN KANSAS WITHOUT A PERMIT,FINALLY. GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS REGULATING, JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, OTHER THAN COUNTERFEITING, BANK ROBBERY AND TREASON. everything ELSE SHOULD BE LEFT TO STATES, BUT THE CONSTITUTION, SHOULD NEVER BE INFRINGED!!!
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What are the Arizona requirements to get the permit to conceal?
In MN you can get a permit to buy a handgun by applying at the local sheriff and passing their background check. Then when you actually buy a gun you're ran through again, I assume to see if you've done anything bad since the last time. The carry permit requires a class from an approved instructor with an easy shooting requirement, then back to the sheriff for another check. With the permit to carry youre still run through the system when you buy a gun.

I thought the permit to carry class was educational re the law at least. If I remember right the shooting requirement was a large grouping at 7', 15', 25'. I've heard of some that couldn't hit the close ones but I imagine
they get enough chances in order to pass.
I also have a AZ conceal permit, because it gives me reciprocal in a lot of state. I had to send in a certificate of training which can be from just a class in hand gun safety. I don't know but guessing they did a back ground check. AZ does not require one and you can open or conceal carry with a permit. There are places that have NO WEAPONS allowed signs and those are mostly government buildings, medical places and some bar/restaurants. Our city hall has a lock box you can place your weapon in and go ahead and conduct you business
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IL was the last state to allow conceal carry. We are required to go through 16 hours of training, finger printing, background check, range certification and a few hundred bucks for the right to carry legally with a photo ID with lots of limitations on when and where.

In Chicago there were almost 800 murders and over 4300 shootings last year. To the very best of my knowledge, 2 were committed by CCW license holders.

You see the problem here?
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The Second Amendment does not say, if, or after. Personal responsibility is what the laws intends. If one can't see that then I have nothing more to say. A day class or a $150 permit does little to qualify anyone.
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We don't have to take an english test before we use the first amendment. I am not in favor of having to pass a government test before using the second. These rights are not giving by the government but are God given rights. What God gave me I am not willing to give up.
Absolutely spot on.
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We went from a May Issue to a Shall Issue State and are working on concealed carry with-out a permit. We are already an open carry state.

Before you can buy any firearm here you have to apply for a permit to purchase through your local Sheriffs Dept. Takes a day or two and is good for one year. IF you have a CCW permit, that's good for 5 years and can be used to purchase any firearm up to 5 years.

There are plenty of places to get training at all the different levels and most people with any common sense WILL take a safety coarse. It's the know-it-alls, snowflakes, cupcakes and mall ninjas that think they know it all already that get the rest of us in trouble and give us a bad name.

Trouble is, in the "good ol' days, Great Grandpa, passed down to Grandpa, who passed down to his son and on down the family tree hunting skills and shooting safety. That "art" has been lost with the ages. How many Dad's now a days even take their kids fishing ? Let alone take and spend quality time with their kids ?

We were taught gun safety in my youth in school and also in the Boy Scouts. There DOES need to be some Gun Safety Training worked BACK into the equation and it should be back in the schools like it used to be and taught at a young age. It's a part of our heritage that shouldn't be lost.
Maybe it should be offered in school like driver ed.Too many learning gun handling from the movies. Hunter safety course should also suffice.
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You're missing the fact that criminals carry anyway, and financial barriers or background checks to excersise a civil right are unconstitutional. Background checks and permits are security theater. Constitutional carry is not as scary as FUDDS and anti-civil rights activits make it sound. Don't be afraid.
This, in a nutshell.
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