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Old March 17th, 2010, 09:51 AM   #31
 
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I believe a GP100 with .38 Spl. wad cutters would have been a good choice. Sure good enough to take out the dog but minimal power to avoid over penetration and a bullet that might go bouncing around the neighborhood.

I believe I would have called this a life threatening situation without hesitation. Your dog was sacrificing itself to protect a fellow family member, which is outstanding.

I think you did perfectly in the situation you described.

Better preparation? not sure how you could have done that. Get your wife a CCW permit and let her practice shooting it. An SP101 or similar would work just fine and are fairly easy to carry.



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Only read the title of your thread....Wife and dog attached!

I'd have thrown a bucket of water on them and said "bad dog"!
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Old March 17th, 2010, 10:19 AM   #33
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My two cents, for what it's worth!

I am happy it all worked out for you!!!

I live in a state that is very gun unfriendly. I live in a city that refuses CCW to anyone without a GREAT reason and that is subjective so the average Joe doesn’t get a CCW here. It is also illegal to discharge a firearm within city limits but…

The laws regarding self defense and lethal force would override the firearms discharge ordinance here. These laws are more allowing than you’d think when you see “California” and think of gun laws. Here it is legal to use extreme force up to and including lethal force if you feel that a reasonable individual would consider the situation as life threatening to you, a family member or other person or if it is deemed that a person might experience severe bodily harm/injury as the result of an attack. That is mostly paraphrased! That doesn’t mean that you wouldn’t be hassled but the law would be on your side here, especially on your own property but your dog was the only thing between your wife and that pit bull. Who could reasonable say that an attack on your wife was imminent if your dog had failed stop the attacking animal. Plus, your own evaluation, as you stated, had you believing the dog would probably not prevail.

Regardless of the laws and without a doubt, I would have taken out the attacking dog the minute I could get a clean shot and I would have moved however necessary to get that clean sight as rapidly as possible. I salute your patience and situational awareness which you show by your description of the scene. I am not in favor of breaking the law but there are provisions for protecting one’s self and family, even in a state like California, and I believe Arizona is much more forgiving in matters concerning firearms. Because I live in California, I make damn sure I know the state and local ordinances regarding gun possession and use, almost word for word, and I suggest you do the same. As has already been stated, the dog was protecting your wife so that’s your story and all you’d have to do is stick to it!

I have discussed this with a LEO friend and he has told me there were several incidences, over the years, that involved a city resident shooting and killing coyotes and once even a mountain lion that were attacking pets (killing wild animals is illegal here, especially within city limits) that were not prosecuted due to circumstances. I am not a lawyer and, of course, what I say is no guarantee but you have a CCW, you were on your property, you heard your wife screaming and you arrived on scene to a viscous attack as your dog was protecting your wife. You used a legal firearm in a most conscientious way taking full regard to the safety of those nearby so what more could you do. I could not sit by and watch my pet being torn apart and I can’t see anyone being prosecuted under those circumstances, certainly not convicted!
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XXXXXXXX means I am using my Constitutional Rights and pleading the 5th Ammendment. I did what I needed to do to stop the attack - period. I am sorry that I posted.

Again my purpose in writing was to get some input so I can be a good BoyScout and be prepared. I think I was fortunate in the situation and it could have gone much differently. I love my wife and take my responsibility as protector very seriously. We moved into our neighbor hood 20 plus years ago because we had kids and so did our neighbors. The complexion has changed some. It is not a bad place but not as good as it was. I carry concealed for two reasons. First it is my right and second it is my responsiblity to proctect myself and my family.
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Only read the title of your thread....Wife and dog attached!

I'd have thrown a bucket of water on them and said "bad dog"!
Spell checker didn't help with that. I agree. Reminds me what Rush used to say -"Words mean something". I noticed it after I posted originally and tried to edit but the title does not edit.

Thanks for the humor. It gave me a chuckle.
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Pitbulls are a bad as there owners, Shoot the pitbull till dead. Many neighborhoods and parks don't allow these animals because they are vicous.
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Pitbulls are a bad as there owners, Shoot the pitbull till dead. Many neighborhoods and parks don't allow these animals because they are vicous.
Statistics show that a Pit does not bite more often but that because of their breeding (it is what they are) they do not stop and they do not let go. Many insurance companies will not issue a policy if the home has certain breeds (pit bulls are included) or if a dog has a bite history. We had a very sad situation here in my home town a few years ago involving a pit bull that was a family pet. It attacked a little one and killed her.

A pit is often not agressive towards people but are towards other animals and they are territorial.

Most people who own them are very much aware of their reputation. That is often why they have them - the fear factor. To plead ignorance or that their dog would never do anything like that is bogus. That is like saying a rattle snake will not bite - who is going to believe that.
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My main concern was to stop the attack and save my dog. From where I was I had a safe backstop. If I had continued after the attack my back drop changed - homes with people became the back drop. I took no more action than was necessary to stop the attack.

The reason I am writing is to get a better idea as to what I did correctly and what I can do in the future to be prepared. In other words to expect the unexpected. I was not as prepared nor was my wife.

When I get a chance I will report on how this situation and your comments has changed my thought process.

To answer your question. No one knows what you ended up doing (and I won't pry because as you said the 5th protects you and it is your business and no one elses). BUT since your wife and dog are both alive and healthy I would say you did EVERYTHING right. And kudos to you for being level headed enough not to take a shot that could have hurt or killed a person or your dog. I can only hope in the same situation I could act as you did and have the same results.
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This thread is not about bashing Pitbull's and that is exactly what it has turned into. This thread was to ask people what you would do in the situation at hand. Most of you seem that you would not have shot the attacking dog if it where a lab or golden retriever which is completely ridiculous. I agree that some people have Pitbull's because they have that " Bad Ass" persona but most Pitbull owners have them because they are loyal, loving, great personality dog's. Its not the dog its the owner. Have we forgotten who made this bread? Humans of course. Do not blame the dog blame the owner. I can name a hand full of dogs that are just as "Vicious" as a Pitbull Not to mention all those ankle bitting yapity F****** rat dogs that do not have the sense to know up from down and would maul you to death if they where big enough. The media portrays Pitbulls to be killers just the same way the media portrays gun owners as murderers. We all know that the majority of legal gun owners are not. You do not like to be stereotyped so why do you do it. I am sure I will get great responses from this post but I had to say something.
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I believe a dog is a reflection of it's owner. I do agree certain breeds are a little more uncertain but I have seen some very docile pits and other agressive breeds.

I just carry a gun outside because anything can come into your yard or on your property and at night you just have a disadvantage of seeing clearly.

I think you did what you had to and it was a success. This same instance again may not be a success. But that is any scenario and let us no labor the point.

I agree with the one poster.......the wife should have some sort of weapon if she feels confident in it's use and her ability to use it. If not then no weapon because it would be used against her more than likely. Not by the dog but a human being.

The dog breed to me in the OP comment is irrelevant. A dog that attacks is a dog that attacks! You have to be comfortable with the measure you take. Are you ready to get dirty and in the mix to get a contact shot in if need be? Or do you have a safe back drop without a doubt and squeeze off a round to eliminate the threat?

These scenarios like what the OP has stated is why I love a long fixed blade fighting or as I refer to it, killing knife! It is silent and no threat of a innocent person or animal being injured. Thrust and twist on the way out.

Once again friend.......glad the outcome was what it was. Be prepared next time for anything. I try and scan the area before I let my dogs out both day and night as best as possible.

Enjoy.........afterall, it's St. Patrick's Day and a delightful toast to my fellow Irish friends!
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A visiting Uncle talked me out of my Taurus Judge. That one flashed to mind when I first read this thread.

Kept it loaded with the new Federal 2.5" load that has four 000 buck pellets.

Much less chance of collateral damage and would have easily stopped the pit if you got up close and personal.

Just my two centavos worth.

And if it matters, I have pulled down on a pit before. The owner grabbed it in time. He got a tad belligerent.
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This thread is not about bashing Pitbull's and that is exactly what it has turned into. This thread was to ask people what you would do in the situation at hand. Most of you seem that you would not have shot the attacking dog if it where a lab or golden retriever which is completely ridiculous. I agree that some people have Pitbull's because they have that " Bad Ass" persona but most Pitbull owners have them because they are loyal, loving, great personality dog's. Its not the dog its the owner. Have we forgotten who made this bread? Humans of course. Do not blame the dog blame the owner. I can name a hand full of dogs that are just as "Vicious" as a Pitbull Not to mention all those ankle bitting yapity F****** rat dogs that do not have the sense to know up from down and would maul you to death if they where big enough. The media portrays Pitbulls to be killers just the same way the media portrays gun owners as murderers. We all know that the majority of legal gun owners are not. You do not like to be stereotyped so why do you do it. I am sure I will get great responses from this post but I had to say something.
I appreciate your response. Sorry for upsetting you. The purpose as you so well stated is not to bash but to learn form my situation.
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Most of you seem that you would not have shot the attacking dog if it where a lab or golden retriever which is completely ridiculous.
Most wrong assumption................if it were any dog attacking mine, I would dispatch it and never lose a nights sleep for doing so.
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Now that I know that you, your wife, and your dog are okay, and that you aren't in jail for unlawful discharge, I have to say it....

How did you get them unattached?
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This thread is not about bashing Pitbull's and that is exactly what it has turned into. This thread was to ask people what you would do in the situation at hand. Most of you seem that you would not have shot the attacking dog if it where a lab or golden retriever which is completely ridiculous. I agree that some people have Pitbull's because they have that " Bad Ass" persona but most Pitbull owners have them because they are loyal, loving, great personality dog's. Its not the dog its the owner. Have we forgotten who made this bread? Humans of course. Do not blame the dog blame the owner. I can name a hand full of dogs that are just as "Vicious" as a Pitbull Not to mention all those ankle bitting yapity F****** rat dogs that do not have the sense to know up from down and would maul you to death if they where big enough. The media portrays Pitbulls to be killers just the same way the media portrays gun owners as murderers. We all know that the majority of legal gun owners are not. You do not like to be stereotyped so why do you do it. I am sure I will get great responses from this post but I had to say something.
Dude. Mellow out. Mix yourself a drink, and try not to take it so personal. Pretend he said German Shepherd. It'll all work out. Breathe. In. Out. Repeat.
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