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Old September 15th, 2016, 07:46 AM   #1
 
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Hello all:
Got an idea and want to run it by the group.
My EDC carry is my P89DC (soon to be supplemented/replaced by my P90DC).
As the trigger pull on the P89/P90 is insane, is there any merit in thumbing the hammer back before firing in a shooting situation?
Doing so would put the pistol in the single action mode and make the pull MUCH better.
The only two disadvantages (as I see them) is:
1. The extra step to thumb the hammer back when drawing, and
2. The danger of the thumb slipping off the hammer when thumbing back, causing a ND.
Any opinion on this idea? I know it's probably never been thought about (or maybe so and I've just never heard of it). I know the gunfighters did it in the old days, but that was then/this is now.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 08:57 AM   #2
 
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If it was a home defense gun, having to pull the hammer back would be "ok" as you probably would have a bit more time, but in a situation where all of the sudden you are forced to draw your weapon with the bad guy right there in front of you, I wouldn't want that as an added step. With the hands shaking and sweating from the adrenaline, I think the chances of ND are huge.

I do not like the fact that I have to flip my safety off when I draw, but if I mess that up, it isn't going to cause my gun to fire without my intentions to do so.

Just my initial thoughts on it.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 09:41 AM   #3
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The DA trigger pull on my P90's is not that bad. I Definitely would NOT carry them with hammer back or condition 1.The Ruger P series are not 1911's. As Nexxus has stated the instance of a ND is very high because there is no grip or slide safety,just a gun in SA mode with a light trigger.The P series mostly only had Decockers,as in the P90DC,or a decocker/safety which would decock and render the trigger unuseable hence safe. i would just practice using the first DA trigger pull and the latter SA pulls. Besides in a self defense situation with the adrenaline, you will probably not even notice the trigger pull.
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Good points to the responses.
I've gotten pretty used to the trigger pull of my P89DC and, as you both say, don't want a ND in a hairy situation.
Need to put some additional dry fire time to get the trigger finger beefed up.
Thanks for the responses so far. Keep the opinions coming.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 10:29 AM   #5
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Have to agree with NexxusOne. In a real-life draw and fire situation, I doubt you'd notice the heavier trigger pull on the first round.

In a large part, I choose to carry a revolver most times precisely because I want things as simple as possible if I'm forced into a SD situation.

If you are looking for a semi auto with no thumb safety and a nice trigger, you might want to check out the Springfield XD line. Very reliable and with redundant safeties via the trigger and the grip.

Just my 2 cents.
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Not my opinion but just sharing a point I read.
Cocking the hammer "could" show premeditation.

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Not my opinion but just sharing a point I read.
Cocking the hammer "could" show premeditation.

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No more than pulling the trigger. Or drawing the weapon.
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practice until the hammer pull feels normal
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In a high stress situation like a confrontation the less you need to remember the better. Point and shoot.
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Not my opinion but just sharing a point I read.
Cocking the hammer "could" show premeditation.

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Have heard this several times.
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no way. Practice DA shot. Maybe take it to a gunsmith to work on lightening it up a bit, and/or install aftermarket springs kit. Carry only after verifying any changes are still 100% reliable with your SD ammo of choice. If you don't do that, then just practice a lot with the DA pull as is.
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Great comments/suggestions all the way around.
Think I'll take her (them) to my local gunsmith and see what kind of magic he can do. I agree about the practice with the trigger. Maybe DA firing while watching TV (making double sure it's unloaded, of course), to get the finger/hand strengthened up, even though I know it'll drive the wife NUTS. Might do it outside while smoking my pipe/cigar in the evening.
Thanks again gentlemen. Appreciate the input.
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I have a couple of DA/SA hand guns. On range days I regularly practice that first DA press coming out of the holster. May not hit the bullseye every time but I can make vital torso hits DA with little thought now. I will also safely put the pistol back into DA mode [use decocker] and shoot an entire mag this way in DA. Certainly more fun than dry firing which I also practice. Best wishes.
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I did a full on polish job on a p89 years back and it helped significantly. I am sure there are youtube videos that could take you through the process and I find those types of tasks fun to do myself.

Having said that .. dry fire is your friend. When my CZ p07 was new the double action was a bear. A snap cap and some firing and trigger control at things on the tv that annoy me and it was broke in or I just learned the trigger well or both but I am deadly accurate with it in DA now and its smooth as butter. Just keep looking at that front sight... if it boobles around a bunch then you need to think about your trigger pull. Soon it will be second nature.
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finger slips and you got a ND

finger slips , and you got a ND
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