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Old July 11th, 2016, 12:26 PM   #1
 
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I'm in California, so no CCW.

Since there are protests about the man killed who supposedly had a permit, I would like to know what permit classes teach about proper procedure when you are stopped by a police officer.



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Old July 11th, 2016, 12:51 PM   #2
 
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I'm in California, so no CCW.

Since there are protests about the man killed who supposedly had a permit, I would like to know what permit classes teach about proper procedure when you are stopped by a police officer.
Kentucky...

My class taught that if stopped for traffic etc. then do not move in the car. Place hands on wheel and follow, respectfully, the directions of the officer. He/she will let you know when and how to move. A suggested option is to then let the officer know you have a CCDW and whether or not you indeed are carrying. Most of the time they will have asked you already if you have a gun in the car.

Respect, hands where they can be seen, obedience to the officer's commands, and more respect...that's what it boils down to.
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"Duty to Inform" isn't a requirement here in Massachusetts when carrying concealed.
That being said (and people can flame me all they want) I will inform an officer I'm carrying if pulled over and wait for them to give me instructions.

I've only been pulled over once since I got my carry license. At the time I was driving a box truck and had my registration, drivers license, LTC, out and hands in full view before he was at my window. He was surprised to see my LTC and asked if was carrying. Told him yes I was. He asked why and I responded that I always carried when legal to do so. He then asked me where my gun was and I told him it was IWB at the 6 o'clock position. His reply was to just leave it where it is while he ran my information. When he returned to my truck he gave me a verbal warning (I'd mistakenly turned onto a "Do Not Enter" street) and thanked me for informing him that I was carrying. I was polite and respectful to him the entire time and he was the same with me. Near the end of our conversation he did ask me what I was carrying (Ruger LC9) and he said he had one himself for off duty carry
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Respect, hands where they can be seen, obedience to the officer's commands, and more respect...that's what it boils down to.
Pretty much "ditto". Police here will have looked you up, so if you have the permit they will know. But Alaska also has no-license concealed carry, so not everybody will have the permit unless you want reciprocity.

But be polite, hands where the officer can see them, answer their questions w/o attitude, and everybody lives another day....
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I'm in a duty-to-inform state. Pulled over late last summer on a rural highway with my two boys and a car loaded down from a week at my family's farm getting stuff sighted in for deer season. First time I've been pulled over in ~25 years and only second in my life.

When the County Deputy came up alongside and introduced himself and asked for paperwork, I gave him my license, registration and CHP, telling him that I'm a CHP permit holder. He said, yeah I saw your boys' two little .22 rifle cases there in the back window. Do you have any other firearms?" So I said, "Sir, other than the two .22s and the LCP in my pocket and the 9mm in my range bag there on the floor, and a shotgun, AR, and muzzleloader in the trunk, I don't have any other guns at all." We had a good laugh about that. Told him we'd been up sighting in the AR that my 12-year-old boy built and he was really interested in that. Asked my son all sorts of questions and asked me where I bought the kit and he was really impressed that a 12 y.o. built one with me only watching and giving advice. He said he might get a kit and do that with his daughter as well for her first deer gun.

He did write up a warning but never mentioned how fast I was going.

All in all a good traffic stop and good lesson for the kids to be polite and pleasant when talking to police. When kids are really little they grow up admiring police and firefighters and being excited to talk to them. My goal is to continue to foster that mentality in them as they grow up.
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Florida doesn't require informing the LEO of CCW & it doesn't come up in a computer search from what I've been told by a friend that teaches CCW classes. He has also told us about the different options of whether to inform or not.
That being said I just might want to inform the LEO of my permit & firearm. From most stories I've read it seems that the LEO seem to be more lenient on the motor vehicle indiscretion & the individual gets a warning.

Florida also does not require a permit to carry in your vehicle, loaded or unloaded.

It must be "Securely Encased". This means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster (thumb break); in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case (rug); or in a box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access
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Also in Florida. Classes normally teach nothing to do with traffic stops, especially if you do a NRA course as you certification class.

That said, I tell students that, if stopped, they should hand the officer their driver's license, insurance card and CWL card. Let the officer know you have a firearm, where it is and always ask for permission before reaching for anything.

I get push back from people who "defend their right to carry" and argue the officer doesn't need to know. I spent two decades working with officers and deputies and I can tell you, in Florida, people who "defend their right to carry" are more likely to get shot than anyone who is polite, informs the officer, follows all directions and complies with all requests.

Statistically, in Florida, Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to be carrying illegal weapons than other races. But I have never met an officer who doesn't assume that every traffic stop can turn deadly and who isn't prepared to respond. Even for pretty white school girls and grannies with blue hair.

Besides, the only thing that will keep you from getting a ticket or a more serious violation than you end up with is being polite, respectful and compliant. Save the drama for the courtroom and go home alive.

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Here is a link to a good article covering the subject in Missouri.

If pulled over, should you tell the cop about your gun? | Law and order | stltoday.com


Here is another viewpoint from Guns & Ammo Magazine:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/home-feat...e-while-armed/

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Thanks.

These are all helpful.

I suspect if someone is stopped as a potential robbery suspect, the tensions go up.
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Duty to inform also. Hands at 10 & 2, inform in a manner that what's said is not mistaken, show respect and that should cover the bases.
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I'm in CA and have a CCW permit. My class pretty much just taught me to inform the cop that I'm licensed to carry concealed and to include my CC permit with my driver's license when pulled over. Oddly all the times I get pulled over, the cops focus more on my radar detector than my CCW.
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Good stuff. Having held a CCP from 2 different states, there are nuances. In SC, you have a duty to inform if the weapon is on your person. So, IWB holster yes - inform. In the glovebox, no need to inform. Having recently triggered the interest of one of SC'S finest, I got a chance to practice...��
Had both hands on the wheel at 12 o'clock, had the licence and CCP ready to go before she got to the window, and was respectful as hell. Didn't remove my hands from the wheel until she asked for proof of insurance (had to use the phone to pull up proof..). No one shot, and no one was fatally wounded. It went as well as I had hoped..

Ironically, just got a warning as well. Happy 4th of July...

I think bottom line is hands on the wheel, ask for permission, follow instructions, and be very very polite.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 11:23 AM   #13
 
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We must inform the police when we have contact with them. When the police run your information here a notification shows up indicating you have a permit. In the past 20 years I have had maybe 1/2 dozen ( only one traffic stop)contacts with the police and all ended great. Yes sir/ma'am, no sir/ma'am goes a very long way.
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Michigan is a shall inform state. Although, the gentleman that was shot informed and was asked for ID then shot trying to get his ID. Go figure......
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In CA, duty to inform is dictated the the Issuing Agency (county). Different counties may want you to inform anyway. Even individual officers may or may not care.
I personally will always inform. I don't want any misunderstandings

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