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This is a discussion on traffic stops within the CCW forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; Originally Posted by terry_p And there shouldn't be open season declared on cops but it was. If a cop approaches your car and if you ...


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Old April 2nd, 2017, 05:45 AM   #76
 
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And there shouldn't be open season declared on cops but it was. If a cop approaches your car and if you are smart you'll keep your hands visible. If someone starts to draw down on them and they wait until they see a gun then it is very likely that is the last thing they will see.
Open season was declared on cops by a very specific group, not CCW holders, so that argument is a stretch. It is not the citizens responsibility to ensure the cop feels all warm and fuzzy. This is going to become a touchy subject (if it hasn't already), but when it comes to who has to fear for their life in any situation, the responsibility falls on Law Enforcement Officers. They are actually paid to ensure that citizen DON'T have to fear for their lives.



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And there shouldn't be open season declared on cops but it was. If a cop approaches your car and if you are smart you'll keep your hands visible. If someone starts to draw down on them and they wait until they see a gun then it is very likely that is the last thing they will see.
+1. If you ever get a chance try a use of force simulator at any LEO training facility. its an eye opener regarding just how dang fast the poo can hit the fan. I always taught my son when he was looking into law enforcement and especially in today's climate, that you can't do a dang thing about what happens tomorrow except to make sure you are the one who sees it. He chose to be a firefighter instead, which is fine by me. I am quite proud that he chose a service oriented career of any type, and hopefully he will never have to live with the taking of another life, instead he saves them.

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And there shouldn't be open season declared on cops but it was. If a cop approaches your car and if you are smart you'll keep your hands visible. If someone starts to draw down on them and they wait until they see a gun then it is very likely that is the last thing they will see.
99% of LE are good.It was the small percentage of bad shoots that caused backlash.Police are people just like you and me. Some are good and some are bad.
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State troopers (usually without backup) pull over thousands of vehicles through the course of their career and so there are decent odds that at least one of those stops will be a violent criminal. So out of respect for the troopers who put their lives on the line for us, for their safety, and mine, I am sure to let him/her know by my verbal and body language that I am not a threat to him/her. Which includes informing him/her I have a CPL and am carrying (Michigan law anyway), hands on wheel, friendly eye contact, comply. If I disagree with the reason for the stop I will explain my case in court, but only show respect for the LEO doing his/her job.

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CCW holders commit way fewer crimes per capita than the general population and even fewer than police officers (someone did a study - Google it). A reasonable police officer should take a sigh of relief when informed that the person they stopped is a CCW holder and not get all nervous, as some apparently do. Any thinking police officer should rightfully reason that anyone telling them they are a CCW holder and armed, is far less likely to be a threat. No person with bad intent would so inform a LEO, and take away the advantage of the element of surprise. So, any LEO that is afraid upon being presented a CCW and told by the citizen that they are armed, should find other employment. They don't have the judgement or the stones necessary for the job. The two types of dogs that are the most dangerous are the ones who are naturally aggressive/protective and those that are scared. The same holds true for people. If I have an interaction with an LEO, what I want is a confident, competent, reasonable professional who is calm, even-tempered and is as polite as I am. What I don't want to encounter is some overly aggressive bully or some scared puppy. That shouldn't be too much for a citizen of a free country to expect.

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In Virginia, no duty to inform. I've been stopped twice since getting my CCP in 1996, both times at night. Both times: parked at the curb with front wheels pointing towardsthe curb so he knows I'm not going to try to drive off. Turned the car off and the dome light on so he could see me. Roll driver window down a few inches. Although not required, my first words to the officer were "Officer, I have a permit to carry and I do have a firearm on me." Each asked where, I told him on my right hip, and my driver's license is in my left front pocket, registration is on the back of the sun visor. Both times they asked for documents, but please move slowly. Both times were minor violations for which I did not receive a ticket and was thanked for telling them about my permit and pistol.

Part of the reason for my procedure is I was told by a cop friend of mine that officers don't like to see you wiggling around in the front seat like maybe you are trying to hide something, or maybe get something (like a gun). The officer wants to tell you what to do and when.

Attitude plays very importantly with law enforcement, especially these days, show respect and talk nicely. They want to go home after their shift, anything you can do to show them you are concerned about that as well will work in your favor.
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So much better back in the day when I had my 97 Winchester in a rack of the truck's window. They didn't have to ask and I didn't have to tell.
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So much better back in the day when I had my 97 Winchester in a rack of the truck's window. They didn't have to ask and I didn't have to tell.
I think having a loaded rifle in your truck would violate game laws.
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I think having a loaded shotgun in your truck would violate game laws.
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Fixed.
Shotguns are legal?
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I'm in a "Duty to Inform" state. I would inform regardless no matter what state I was in. I think it's the courteous thing to do for a LEO. They have a job to do and want to go home every night too, so the less surprises they receive the easier their job will be.
Living in CA and being a retired LEO, I am always armed. Whether to inform an officer I might have contact with while they are involved in an enforcement activity I take on a case by case bases; based primarily on the likely length of contact. Generally I would not inform becasue no matter how experienced an officer is, the dynamic immediately changes once LE knows you're armed, however it goes without saying that I will be most compliant contact/detainee the officer has experienced in a long time.
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Living in CA and being a retired LEO, I am always armed. Whether to inform an officer I might have contact with while they are involved in an enforcement activity I take on a case by case bases; based primarily on the likely length of contact. Generally I would not inform becasue no matter how experienced an officer is, the dynamic immediately changes once LE knows you're armed, however it goes without saying that I will be most compliant contact/detainee the officer has experienced in a long time.
Don't you think it would be wise to inform in all States since they probably know anyway? Also, do you recommend verbally informing or is handing your permit over enough?
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Shotguns are legal?
Just pointing out that the Winchester M97 is a shotgun.
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Just pointing out that the Winchester M97 is a shotgun.
Oh,my bad.For some reason I was thinking 94.
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For what it is worth,I hear about truck guns (rifles) all the time. Did it use to be legal to carry one with a loaded magazine and empty chamber ?
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