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Old September 19th, 2016, 04:05 PM   #46
 
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Old September 19th, 2016, 05:28 PM   #47
 
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Do not use the word gun when addressing the officer.
AMEN!!

Not all but most officers, for the most part, are conditioned during the extensive trainings they go through to react to the word "gun". It is no wonder why it is termed as a "trigger word". If you don't believe me and personally know an officer ask them. The training creates a natural reaction to reach for their weapon when the word "gun" is used. Firearm... pistol... just don't use the word gun.
Anyway... rant over
Been pulled over a few times while carrying. No CCW needed in Arizona allowing for free open carry. First time I got stopped in AZ I put my hands out the window before the officer got out of his car. When he walked up he said "Got a firearm in the car?" Yes sir I replied. Asked me where it was and I told him. Told me to leave it there and it will be fine. I watched his body language change just like that. One other time my firearm was in my car door. He asked if he could secure it while we talked. I allowed him. He later had me sit in his car with him as he explained the moving violations he could have been writing me for but wasn't going to be. Then handed me back my pistol after he reloaded it.

Be polite and respectful. The job they do is enough of a pain. It will go a long way.
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Old September 21st, 2016, 11:46 AM   #48
 
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Traffic stops in Oregon. No obligation to volunteer to a law enforcement officer that you have a CHL or a handgun. But when the officer runs your license, he or she will see in their data base that you have a CHL. Oregon law requires you provide driver's license, car registration and insurance proof but there is no legal obligation to provide a CHL. In fact, the Oregon Supreme Court determined police may not even ask you if you have a firearm unless they have a specific reason to believe they might be in harm's way.

My ongoing personal research makes me realize I should really hire an attorney to interpret specific INTERSTATE travel and possession laws due to their intricacies but I'd prefer consensus of the Forum's insight, experience, and ultimately, your recommendation.

This winter I'm planning to travel from Oregon to Las Vegas and surrounding areas for a month to camp, hike and flee our PNW rains ... will drive through Oregon, California and Nevada in a Nissan XTERRA with a skybox on top of the vehicle. I would like to take one of my handguns for personal protection, as well as sport shooting when hiking and camping out in the wilds, BLM land ... places appropriate.

I have two handgun security lock boxes and I will place my handgun in one of them and place it on top of my vehicle in the locked skybox while traveling. Ammo will be kept inside my vehicle, also in a locked container. Understood are my Oregon obligations. But when I look at new laws in Governor Brown's California I am legal as long as I do not stay anywhere in the state overnight; am only legal when stopping for fuel only or roadside eating; however, it's paramount I continue "on my way" ... otherwise, I risk alleged misdemeanor or felony charges if pulled over and confronted by law enforcement. It's involved.

Am a disabled 60-something vet, unblemished record, including driving. Do I risk the trip with a handgun or just leave them all at home?

What would you do?

Thank you for your opinion, insight, whatever you might care to share.

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to bucky dubya: per http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/california.pdf, you are allowed to possess a locked, unloaded handgun in your vehicle in calif, and loaded in your dwelling, but not ccw without a permit. i certainly hope that you lawfully bring along a handgun for protection, plinking and peace of mind.


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California was very sticky when I lived there. You can carry a unloaded firearm as long as it is not within reach of the driver and any other occupants in it's own locked container. Also the ammo can not be within the reach of the occupants and driver in a separate locked container.
BLM land creates a different ball of wax. In the town that I lived everyone went to the closets BLM land for target shooting. One day on my way there I came across a CHP officer and a tow truck. Odd for the area and I stopped to talk to the officer. There was some stolen car that was run off the side of a hill that was why he was there. I told him that I was in the area to do some target shooting and asked, being that the normal shooting area was where the car was, where would be a safe place to do so. He responded kindly that I just needed to go down the trail a bit further and to not face the direction they were in. I basically told him I had a firearm and he did not want to ask any questions as to how I was transporting it or if it was loaded or if it was in my reach.
I would check with BLM but as long as your respectful they don't tend to mess with you. I have had BLM officers come up to my camp in the back woods just to check things out. They are more worried about drugs and pouchers then folks that are just out enjoying the world. I have had my sidearm on when they have come into my camp and didn't even ask or say anything about it. Being respectful of them and the land goes well with them most the time. Just my experience.
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If stopped, I follow this PROCEDURE every single time.

I put on 4-way flashers as soon as I notice patrol car lights.
Slow down and begin to pull over.

As soon as I stop, I reach into right rear pocket and get out wallet.

I unhook seatbelt... just hit release button so it is unbuckled but NOT removed. No need to "reach down there" if asked to get out.

If dark, I turn on interior lights as I roll down window.

Hold BOTH hands on steering wheel at 10 to 2 position.

Hand cop BOTH my License AND CCW card at same time.

Leave hands ABOVE windowsill and answer all questions accurately.
Announce what you are doing and tell them WHERE you are carrying BEFORE you make any moves.


I have NEVER had a problem doing this.
I have had to explain why I released buckle, but he was not an idiot so he got the idea and no problem.
I was asked why I did ALL this once, and I explained it was to reduce the stress of a traffic stop for us BOTH.
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Michigan: Must inform. Hands on wheel, inform armed. Follow police instructions carefully and slowly. Police may or may not choose to disarm you. Have not been stopped myself, but know those who have and the police were OK and appreciate the clear communication.
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Michigan: Must inform. Hands on wheel, inform armed. Follow police instructions carefully and slowly. Police may or may not choose to disarm you. Have not been stopped myself, but know those who have and the police were OK and appreciate the clear communication.
You "legally inform" when you hand BOTH your DL and CCW to him.
And you can say, "I need to inform you I am armed" as you do it.

I try to "sway" LEO toward not removing the weapon for safety reasons.
It will be MUCH safer right there secured in the holster than being handled and manipulated by someone who likely never saw one like mine before, and likely has little time with their own.

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I got pulled over by the Highway Patrol last Friday, even though I wasn't on the highway, for not wearing a seat belt. He walked up to my window and told me he pulled me over for not wearing a seat belt, then asked if I was carrying my pistol. They know from the tags. I said yes, and asked if he wanted to see my license. He said no, but since he liked seeing people like me carrying, he was just going to give me a warning.
He was pretty good ole boy.
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Watch Live PD a few nights.

From observation the biggest thing they watch is what you do with your hands. Folks that just keep hands on wheel and go I have a CCW have no issue. They ask where it is and some have them hand it overs and others just make no issue of it. They always thank the person for telling them.

Folks who start reaching around in the car end up at least pulled out and cuffed (detention) and car searched by consent or after the dog alerts.

Folks reaching around allot end up with weapons drawn.
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Sage advice and in fact the law in California.
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You "legally inform" when you hand BOTH your DL and CCW to him.
And you can say, "I need to inform you I am armed" as you do it.

I try to "sway" LEO toward not removing the weapon for safety reasons.
It will be MUCH safer right there secured in the holster than being handled and manipulated by someone who likely never saw one like mine before, and likely has little time with their own.
I think it is required to immediately verbally state that you have a CPL and are armed. I would not recommend reaching for anything until they request it. But yes, better if they don't disarm. My cousin was pulled over, kept hands on wheel, informed officer about CPL and being armed. Officer chose not to request anything, no license, CPL, or firearm, just a warning for the violation was given. But some officers are more/less relaxed about CPL stops. Have a friend who is a Michigan State Trooper and traffic stops are very dangerous for them. Our obedience relaxes them.
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Every state has its rules. All the above are good recommendations.

You can get an app for your smart phone that will tell you state-by-state whether you must inform LE if you are pulled over. It is $1.99 and worth it.
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I think it is required to immediately verbally state that you have a CPL and are armed. I would not recommend reaching for anything until they request it. But yes, better if they don't disarm. My cousin was pulled over, kept hands on wheel, informed officer about CPL and being armed. Officer chose not to request anything, no license, CPL, or firearm, just a warning for the violation was given. But some officers are more/less relaxed about CPL stops. Have a friend who is a Michigan State Trooper and traffic stops are very dangerous for them. Our obedience relaxes them.
Just don't get nervous and shout, "I HAVE A GUN !!!!"
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Be CAREFUL with what information you go by.

Some people think TX is an "Open Carry" state.
But it is actually an "open carry WITH CCW" State.

TxDPS - New Legislation for Concealed Handgun Licensing
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