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Old July 12th, 2016, 04:26 PM   #16
 
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My class taught that if stopped for traffic etc. then do not move in the car. Place hands on wheel and follow, respectfully, the directions of the officer. He/she will let you know when and how to move. A suggested option is to then let the officer know you have a CCDW and whether or not you indeed are carrying. Most of the time they will have asked you already if you have a gun in the car.

Respect, hands where they can be seen, obedience to the officer's commands, and more respect...that's what it boils down to.
That's it in a nutshell -- especially the hands at the 10 and 2 position on the steering wheel. I would add one more thing. If at night, I would turn on interior lights before the LEO gets to your car. And being courteous and respectful is the only game plan. You probably already have a good idea why you were pulled over, so don't argue. Admit it. I usually just say "yep, I did that and I have no excuse".
I've been pulled over twice while carrying, and both times ended with just a warning. Also, both times I had the LEOs tell me that they support our right to carry.




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Old July 12th, 2016, 05:34 PM   #17
 
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As a police officer I can tell you that if you hand me a carry permit in addition to your driver's license, there is a high likelyhood that you will end up with a warning only.

But I can only address how I handle things.
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In PA we dont have to inform. Last year I got pulled over for expired vehicle inspection, right AFTER leaving the inspection station. The mechanic, whom I know well, ask me if I could come back the next day since he was really backed up that day.Technically, you are allowed to drive to and from the garage to get vehicle inspection, but, I was still in the wrong however, I was past the 10 day grace period on a new vehicle.
I purposely keep my CCW card with my drivers license. I also had my hands on the wheel, wallet & vehicle registration in my lap BEFORE he got to the car , since my IWB is in the 9 oclock, same side as my wallet. I pulled the license and the CCW at the same time, separated them, but held the CCW clearly where he could see it. He smiled and said " I dont need that one". He never ask me anything about my sidearm. He ask if I was aware of the 10 day grace period, I said " yes sir" , but that was the first appointment I could get, and then informed him of the current situation & next days appointment. He smiled again, and said, "close enough", and told me to have a nice day.

IMO, I think in any traffic stop or dealings with LEO's, its common sense 1st, and RESPECT. You dont have to kiss their butts, but just show some respect. Remember, they have a job to do too. And NOT a particularly nice job at times, so they can have a bad day too, just like anyone else.

On the whole, in my dealings with them in the past 40 years. 95% of them were just normal Joes trying to get through another day at work and get home safe at night, just like the rest of us. Until they prove different, I treat them all like that..

I have also run into some major A-holes, and had a few rounds with them when theyre trying to railroad you. Mostly DOT cops. So if THEY want to act like that, I can take the gloves off too.
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My class taught that if stopped for traffic etc. then do not move in the car. Place hands on wheel and follow, respectfully, the directions of the officer. He/she will let you know when and how to move. A suggested option is to then let the officer know you have a CCDW and whether or not you indeed are carrying. Most of the time they will have asked you already if you have a gun in the car.

Respect, hands where they can be seen, obedience to the officer's commands, and more respect...that's what it boils down to.
You hit it. Ive been stopped twice since getting my CHL. Both times I presented it along with DL and kept my hands on the wheel unless told to move. The officer was calm and polite both times. They both asked where the gun was and instructed me to leave it there. Warning both times
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While the state by state comparisons are interesting, the real issue is that Philandro Castile appears to have been doing everything right, or as close to right as he was able to, and he was shot to death. This raises real questions about the advisability of informing an officer where there is legally a choice not to inform. Until this case clears up, I believe I would not inform in the same circumstances.
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While the state by state comparisons are interesting, the real issue is that Philandro Castile appears to have been doing everything right, or as close to right as he was able to, and he was shot to death. This raises real questions about the advisability of informing an officer where there is legally a choice not to inform. Until this case clears up, I believe I would not inform in the same circumstances.
As the information comes rolling out.. so far, no office in MN has confirmed that he was in fact a CWP holder. Also, apparently, the gun was in his lap, not holstered as mine fine friends on this board ALL do..! So, I'm with you to some extent.. if he really was a CWP holder, and was killed, I'd be VERY concerned. But in the rush to exonerate him as a choir boy who helped little old ladies across the street (remember Trayvons family rushing to shape the narrative about their angel?) Many facts are ingnored, or not allowed to roll out. I ran into the Commander of the SC Highway patrol academy over the weekend, and his information painted a much more realistic picture of the situation. Let's hear the facts out first. (Please)

I think we will all find that law abiding CWP holders have nothing to fear, but Mr. Castile wasn't a part of that population of people.
Try this one on for size...
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-cop-killings/

I especially like the Facebook video of smoking a joint in the park before the fireworks show...
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On the point of "matching a robbery suspect" as the reason for being pulled over- before I turned thirty five, that was the ONLY reason EVER given by any cop for having pulled me over. Frankly, it was profiling and not being able to see anything wrong with either my driving or my vehicle, the cop had to come up with something to justify pulling me over, after which he came up "dry", being unable to find evidence of any wrongdoing. I was a clean, uninteresting kid- the kind whose girl pals mothers liked, which was death to any budding relationship . No drugs, no booze, good grades, employed.
It is a sad statement that we now need to advise our wives, girl or boy friends, sons, daughters, nephews, nieces on how to SURVIVE a traffic stop. Seems a lot has changed since I went through Police Academy, and it was drilled into our sense of professional practice that we should expect long jail time for shooting citizens who were NOT violent perps, who MIGHT need to be shot. Heck, there was no justification to shoot MOST perps, and shooting was absolutely a last ditch thing, NOT the "go- to" solution for a family pet approaching you while you canvassed a neighborhood . And yes, there was NO amount of disrespect that was grounds for so much as fishing for a charge, or attempting to escalate a stop into something arrest-able simply because a driver had a difference of opinion as to how fast he may have been going .
Policing has changed, and not for the better. Because too many departments got into the habit of having Internal Affairs making excuses for bad cops ( remember back when misdemeanor domestic violence became a reason to deny someone their right to arms, and exceptions for police officers had to be written so someone would be left to patrol, in spite of how they treated their spouses and kids ? ) instead of firing them and bringing charges, if indicated. I can go on, but the point is made.
The recent shootings in question were heinous as , in spite of the backgrounds of both men, neither was in a position to harm any of the officers when they were shot to death by the officers.
Just 0.02 from one who was in that arena

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Here in Kansas we were told to keep our hands on the wheel and inform the officer that we are carrying, then follow his instructions.
Oddly enough, when I lived in Southern California, our Sheriff's Department told us basically the same, except in the case of the CHP. With the CHP, we were told to only inform them if they ask, because they tend to freak out over concealed carrying.
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Cowboy we were told in the academy that we better be darn sure we were justified, and that going to the firearm should be the last choice. They also emphasized NOT putting yourself in a dangerous position in the first place.

We were told that accepting free food was a crime, now it seems acceptable by most departments, even encouraged. We had no right to complain if people did not like us, we were told it was part of the job. And we would have never cried to the press because some business owner ejected one of us.

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Thanks again for all your input.

I was thinking this week about the ccw man shot, and the officer as wel.

I tried to put myself mentally in the picture.

If, as the radio contact prior to the stop suggested, the stop was for a potential robbery suspect (there was a robbery), and if as has been reported, the suspect's gun was in his lap, and if, as the officer reported, he told the suspect to stop reaching for something, I can see this as an unfortunate outcome for everyone.

As for a personal perspective re the victim,, many years ago while young and dumb, and while living in a apartment, we heard a "scream" outside. I had my wife call 911 while I took my .45 auto and went to see what was happening.

Partway down the block, I realized the police were coming and I was standing there with a gun in my hand, and went back inside.

Turned out to be a peacock, and certainly not the smartest thing I have ever done.

The outcome might have been much different.
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Do not use the word gun when addressing the officer. Hand him a copy of CCW along with driver's license. Follow officers instructions. Massad Ayoob has a video on youtube I think.
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I believe the police know if you have a weapon when they stop your car.Because when they run your license plate if you own a CC,permit it comes up on the computer screen.They are asking to see if you would lie about having a weapon. Just my opinion.
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In CA, duty to inform is dictated the the Issuing Agency (county). Different counties may want you to inform anyway. Even individual officers may or may not care.
I personally will always inform. I don't want any misunderstandings
Good information here.
I have not been stopped, but when it happens I will do all of the above and if the officer asks to see the firearm, I will politely ask him to retrieve it from wherever it is stored to eliminate any possibility of a misunderstanding.
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I believe the police know if you have a weapon when they stop your car.Because when they run your license plate if you own a CC,permit it comes up on the computer screen.They are asking to see if you would lie about having a weapon. Just my opinion.
The car isn't always registered to the driver. Just because a driver is licensed to carry doesn't mean that he is packing.

The cop can run a plate. and discover who the vehicle is registered to. He can then run the name and come up with additional information, which may include LTC information.

I agree that if one is packing that it is prudent to offer LTC along with the Drivers licence and insurance. To inform the officer that yoiu may be carrying.. Let him ask if you are actually packing.
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