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Old February 9th, 2013, 04:56 AM   #1
 
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4 pounds of Pyrodex P FFFG came into my possession and have considered looking for a true flintlock hawken,,any caliber..Is that suitable to use for the barrel charge and the same stuff in the pan for ignition....May not have nomencalture as never used any old style rifles....It appeals to me because with a flint,,no percussion caps needed,,can mold the round balls,,and have been reading some about homemade black powder(which is little spooky),not dependant on walmart or LGS for anything....Might make me feel a little better about my last years in such a uncertain and dangerous world.



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Old February 9th, 2013, 05:30 AM   #2
 
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Granular Pyrodex is sold as "RS" which is generally equivalent to FFG (2F) black powder and is suitable for rifles and shotguns, and "P" which is generally equivalent to FFFG (3F) black powder and is suitable for pistols. There is also a Pyrodex "S" which is a "select" (very high quality) version of RS. There are also Pyrodex pellets. In both my experience, and from what I have read over the last 15 years or so, Pyrodex does not do well in flintlocks. Pyrodex powder does quite well, though, in percussion rifles and pistols. The pellets are good in for in-line muzzleloaders. For a flintlock, it seems best to use either FFG black powder for a rifle or FFFG for a pistol. Use a very small amount of FFFFG (4F) to prime the flash pan.

Casting your own round balls or conical bullets is pretty simple. Be sure to use pure, soft lead because you want the projectile to fully engage the lands and grooves. However, the thought of making your own black powder is scary! Goex has a plant in NW Louisiana, and even they make the news from time to time with explosions at their factory. This is not something to home-brew.

Muzzle-loaders are fun, and effective, but require the same careful use as any other firearm. Good luck, and keep yer powder dry!
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I've read of people using 3F black powder in their flintlock without the need for 4F in the pan. But that was with standard BP (Goex?). Give it a try and see.

The explosive nature of BP keeps me from wanting/making it. I'm curious though...

I also want to stock just 1 powder and 1 cap for everything I get. That will be 3F Triple 7 as I need the most I can get from my Old Army as it will need the capability of dealing with a wounded hog. So I'll make the best of it in my .50 cal side lock.
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Pyrodex isn't the best choice for a flintlock, the spark may not be enough to ignite the charge in the barrel. And P grade would be too small a granulation for most rifles. I have a .58 caliber flintlock, Pennsylvania rifle, built from a kit, that I shoot pretty well with 2F. And I use 2f in the pan also. Very seldom does it misfire. Keep your flint sharp, and your frizzen clean, wipe the bore every couple shots and you will have a fine time with black powder. Oh yeah, percussion guns are great too! Pyrodex works great in them.
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I agree with DeSotoIron and JohnD13 regarding the use of Pyrodex in a flint lock. It might work but its far better suited for use in a percusion or inline gun.

I have considered a flint lock here recently although I am primarily a in-line kind of guy. I mainly got into the in lines due to the fact that I could use W209 primers which I have a butt load of on hand (often more than 5000 of them) since I reload shot shells too for my shotgun. After the last ammo shortage I made it my mission in life to ensure that I had the max amount of primers on hand thats legal to have. So I aint running out of primers anytime soon. I still wouldnt mind a nice little 36 cal Flint Lock though since I am a big time Rabbit and Squirrel hunter. Itd make a nice plinker too to have fun with.
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And P grade would be too small a granulation for most rifles. .
I haven't shot most rifles, but I shoot a .50 Lyman Great Plains percussion sidelock and the most accurate load (cloverleafs three shots) is 65 grains of Pyrodex P. It leaves less fouling in the bore than a bigger charge of RS or FFG, too, but gets good velocity with less powder. So another bonus is more shots per pound.


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thanks,,gonna hang on to powder and keep shopping,,watched a you tube shoot a 20gauge(62 caliber) smoothbore with 3F in the pan and barrel charge.....I couldn't hardly imagine a fire fight with one of these bueaties,,especially if 2 types of powder needed to fire it up,,but they are beginning to be addictive just looking and reading about them..
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I have always had better luck with real BP in all my rifles than I have had with pyrodex as far as ignition goes. Try some Swiss BP if you can find it (totally worth the premium). If not, GOEX is fine, or maybe you could find some people to go in on a case with you. Check here:

Black Powder: GOEX - USA, SWISS - Switzerland - Track of the Wolf
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I use FFF in my .50 caliber flinter. It will work ok with FF but I occasionally get a hang fire with FF. The only use I have for Pyrodex is loading shot shells for my BP cartridge shot guns.
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Thompson Center Firestorm Flintlocks ads say BP substitute can be used it is a Composite stocke Flinter. I use pyrodex pellets in my in line without a hitch but it uses shotgun primers for ignition. RMC Sports in Pa makes or used to Make a Laminated Stocked Flinter with twist appropriate for Saboted bullets. I use Pa conicals from Hornady in my OLD TC Renagade Shoots very Good Just ask the folks that have dined on the Venison provided by it.
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