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Old April 18th, 2016, 06:15 AM   #1
 
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Pyrodex in 45 Colt

Has anyone burnt pyrodex in the 45 Colt? Care to share particulars? Having trouble finding Black powder and would like to see what the old load was like.



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Old April 18th, 2016, 06:43 AM   #2
 
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I've loaded APP in 45 Colt. It's fun but you have to clean your brass RIGHT AWAY (Windex with VINEGAR!)
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Used it in a .44 mag. Shot a foot higher at twenty five yards. Needs to be compressed also.
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Yep and yes indeed. With modified (conversions cylinders and all) Ruger Old Armies, I set about the sport of SASS or cowboy action shooting. I shot 45 LC black powder loads in the Frontier Cartridge classification where black powder is the only propellent allowed (or substitutes of course) Being a long time user of Pyrodex P, that was the powder chosen and much like the original loadings I simply filled the cases to just over 1/16"-1/8" of powder to allow for a slightly compressed load (it keeps the powder from sloshing around and produces more uniform results to be sure.

Originally I went with the 250 grain bullet as in the original loading, but you won't get the 40 grain volumetric equivalent of Pyrodex as with the original balloon head cases (more volume for powder). I then had a try at a full case of powder with a three hundred grain bullet and finally settled for a full case of powder and a 200 grain bullet. All three bullets were of similar design and when crimped produced identical overall case lengths, so that meant the heavier the bullet, the less volume in the case for powder. smallest amount of powder with the 300 grain, more powder with the 250 and the greatest amount of powder with the 200. Not exactly what I was suspecting, but the heaviest hitting round was the 300 grainer and the least the 200 grain even though it had the most powder. It all goes to bullet weight I suppose. Lot's and lot's of fun to be sure.

I also used a small vegetable wad over the powder and then a lube cookie just under the bullet (the wad is to prevent the lube cookie from tainting the upper layer of powder and keep it dry).

The 250 was a moderate kicking round of the three but very pleasant to shoot nonetheless. Standard large pistol primers were also used in Starline brass. I also volume checked a number of eyeball loaded powder levels against my Lee powder scoop set to arrive at an average so that the "load" could be more consistently produced by scooping it rather than eyeballing it. If you had access to an old balloon headed case and put 40 grains of true FF black powder in it, you'd find that the level of powder in the case runs just shy of the case mouth (thus allowing that compression space as previously indicated) So I was attempting to duplicate as closely as possible, the original 45lc loadings of the past, only with today's modern smokeless Pyrodex. Smithy.
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I shot black powder cartridge silhouette competition for about 15 years. The organizers added black powder pistol (fixed sights and black powder or substitute) for added interest.

I ended up with a Ruger Bisley Vaquero .45 Colt. I had won several pounds of Pistol Pyrodex so decided to use that. My load consists of enough Pyrodex (through a Lyman black powder measure) that it required 1/16" compression when the bullet was seated. I wanted a "close to original appearance" so opted for the Lyman 452664 bullet home cast of 30/1 lead/tin, sized .452" and lubed with a good black powder lube. SPG is the commercial gold standard but I used Emmert's home mix lube (50% pure natural beeswax, 40% Crisco, and 10% Canola Oil). No wads are necessary. I later modified the lube by substituting Anhydrous Lanolin instead of the Canola Oil for better shelf life. I could shoot 70 rounds before fouling caused cylinder drag. Five minutes cleaning with a good black powder solvent and I was ready to go again.

My powder solvent was Friendship Speed Juice (Equal parts of Hydrogen Peroxide, 91% Rubbing Alcohol, and Murphy's oil soap). After cleaning, dry thoroughly with dry patches, then immediately oil with Ed's Red. Two or three days later, a couple of wet patches of Ed's Red in case something was missed. Keep the FSJ in a dark bottle as light is harmful to the peroxide. I just used the original Peroxide bottle for the range and kept my main source in a cabinet (in the dark).

My Ruger still looks brand new after thousands of black powder and Pyrodex loads.

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I load pyrodex in my 45 colt cases and clean
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I would like to add an addendum to my post above:

When shooting Black Powder Cartridges, I clean my revolver or rifle at the range immediately after shooting. That way when I get home, I can crash after a "hard day at the range"...

That also applies to my cartridge cases. I decap immediately after the match and drop the cases into a gallon milk jug 3/4 full of tap water and two or three squirts of Dawn Dishwashing liquid. Be the time I get home, the cases are pretty dern clean. I rinse them a couple or three times in hot tap water then throw them into a dedicated colander, shake the water off, then dump them (while still damp) into my vibratory Dillon tumbler and tumble for a couple of hours. The cases are look like new and no corrosion presents itself. Leave either black powder fouling or Pyrodex fouling in the cases and it'll destroy the cases in short order. THAT IS A FACT!()

My cases last nearly forever and that is GOOD!




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I haven't used Pyrodex but have loaded a lot of .45 with Hodgdon 777.
Smoke and boom, full BP velocities, (actually a little higher than BP and Hodgdon claims slightly lower pressures than real BP).
The same rules apply for cleaning the revolver and cartridge cases, fouling is quite a bit less than BP, and 777 is way less hygroscopic, (pulls in way less moisture out of the air) than BP.
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I've used Pyrodex in 45/70 loads and 45 Colt loads with decent results. Still cant beat Royal Black though!
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I use 777 a lot in .45 and .44-40. Works well. I like black better though
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Leave either black powder fouling or Pyrodex fouling in the cases and it'll destroy the cases in short order. THAT IS A FACT!()
OK Dale53, then is it just a fired case that you're worried about? or a better question would be, Are you afraid to preload Pyrodex in cases months if not years in advance? Do you stock up on Pyrodex loaded rounds? Smithy.
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Smithy;
It is just the fired case that requires "worry". I have loaded rounds for long periods of time, without issue.

I actually prefer Swiss Black Powder 2f (less recoil) or 3F (more velocity and recoil) but used those several pounds of Pyrodex Pistol with excellent results. Both give me 1.5"-2" groups at 25 yards off a rest. Good field loads, too (if you can deal with the smoke obscuring the rabbit, or-r-r, after the shot). Frankly, I thought it great fun. You learn to shoot at the game, then step to the side to see the results.

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