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Old February 19th, 2016, 08:17 PM   #1
 
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Interesting wikipedia comment on the ROA.

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The revolver was tested by loading each chamber to capacity with Bullseye smokeless powder and a lead ball. While this might result in catastrophic failure in other firearms, the Old Army proved to be strong enough to handle the pressure.
Capacity smokeless load!! Maybe the ROA with the conversion cylinder really can handle modern 45 long colt cartridges.



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I find that claim rather hard to believe. Full case capacity full of Bullseye? That would have to be a triple or quadruple charge to fill that voluminous case.
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I seem to remember when they first came out, Ruger tested them that way. It's been awhile, and I'm not getting any younger, but that's the way I remember it, anyway.
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I suppose it's possible - the cylinder on the ROA is modern steel and pretty massive. However, I wouldn't load a .44 Mag full of Bullseye and shoot it out of my Blackhawk for fear of blowing it up. As a one-time "let's see what happens" test done by Ruger, it might have happened, but I wouldn't recommend it to the end user.

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Capacity smokeless load!! Maybe the ROA with the conversion cylinder really can handle modern 45 long colt cartridges.
In the Ruger book one of the engineers told of the test. I wouldn't hot rod a conversion cylinder as I'm pretty sure the chamber capacities are different enough to cause a problem.
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Capacity smokeless load!! Maybe the ROA with the conversion cylinder really can handle modern 45 long colt cartridges.
Whoa! That's hard to believe... that would be like a 454 Casull.

I betcha the fella who pulled the trigger... used a device... and did it from long distance.

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The revolver was tested by loading each chamber to capacity with Bullseye smokeless powder and a lead ball.
I believe the load referred to in Wiki is a lot greater than the modern 45LC.
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Wikipedia quoted John Taffin,one of the few gun scribes I trust.
According to Bill Ruger and Harry Sefried that's how it was done. As quoted from Ruger and His Guns
" I decided the logical way to test these was to do so with Bullseye smokeless powder--definitely not recommended to the public! I'd stoke the cylinders up, and pop the cap. You can't however, ignite Bullseye with the spark from a percussion cap going through a tiny little hole in a black powder cylinder nipple. We opened these up, and boy, we were getting ignition! We found we couldn't get enough Bullseye in to blow the cylinder. Even filled up. We could not blow it with Bullseye powder!" (Again, not to be tried at home!)

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It's amazing what people with money and unlimited access to different guns can do......

Sure if I were a millionaire and a gun guru I'd do all kinds of wierd stuff, they do it to generate fodder for gun rag copy so that guys like us will read it and talk about it on the internet

Should the average guy load up his ROA with smokeless powder "just to see" what will happen? HELL no!

I also read about a guy who used to blow up Lugers and Mauser Broomhandles just to see when they would reach failure, as if it's valuable information to know that a Luger can take 104 rounds of 9mm +P+++ before it lets go........but, why are rich people so wierd? They can afford to be........

I think I'll go buy a Lamborghini Diablo and see what a LAW rocket will do to it, then put videos on YouTube......no wait I'm broke lol
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I think I'll go buy a Lamborghini Diablo and see what a LAW rocket will do to it, then put videos on YouTube......no wait I'm broke lol
I wanna see that. Here, hold my beer !
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I think I'll go buy a Lamborghini Diablo and see what a LAW rocket will do to it, then put videos on YouTube......no wait I'm broke lol
That post was absolutely hilarious! I guffawed out loud... one of the funniest posts... that I have read in many moons.

Thanks... ExArmy. Henseforth, I won't forget to read your posts. That was great. Look... you don't have to respond. It's OK.

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That would make a mean bear load at close range. Anybody know how often they did this? Repeatable? I think I might have found a new bear load.
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According to Bill Ruger and Harry Sefried that's how it was done. As quoted from Ruger and His Guns:

" I decided the logical way to test these was to do so with Bullseye smokeless powder--definitely not recommended to the public! I'd stoke the cylinders up, and pop the cap. You can't however, ignite Bullseye with the spark from a percussion cap going through a tiny little hole in a black powder cylinder nipple. We opened these up, and boy, we were getting ignition! We found we couldn't get enough Bullseye in to blow the cylinder. Even filled up. We could not blow it with Bullseye powder!"

Yep, page 126 of R. L. Wilson's Ruger and His Guns.

And we've been talking about it ever since.

I wouldn't try that with somebody else's gun and a fifty-foot string on the trigger . . . but I wouldn't put it past Bill and Harry.


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