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Old January 20th, 2014, 03:40 PM   #1
 
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Why is There a 22 short, 22 long, & 22 long rifle????

I have 2 of old 22 rifles. One is a Wards WesternField , a true single shot bolt action. I take it out once a year & shoot, then clean it & put it back in the gun cabinet. We dated it back to about 1936. It was my fathers squirrel gun back in the 30's- 40's. The 2nd is a Marlin Model 80, single shot, 7 rnd mag. bolt action. It may get out 3 or 4 times a year, clean & store it. It's early 60's, no serial #'s on either of them
Both are marked 22-S-L-LR
What was (or is) the reason for a short round, or even a long round? What's the difference between a long & a long rifle?
I picked up some 22 short rnds a few years back & shoot them thru the Wards WesternField. Don't know why, but I can remember my Dad having the old paper /cardboard ammo boxes of 22 short in the medicine cabinet as a kid, & thought to shoot the same type as he did.....memory bonding I guess.
Does anyone shoot 22 shorts any more? I used to see them for sale all of the time, even at Wally World



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Old January 20th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #2
 
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I haven't shot anything but .22 LR since I was a kid (50+ years ago) until lately. Got several boxes during the last year because that was all I could find. I have shot them in a lever rifle and revolver. Very quiet, almost like shooting a pellet gun. For just punching holes in paper, I actually have had fun with them. Might buy more if I can find them.

As for answering your "why" question, afraid I can't help.
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.22 caliber started with .22bb rounds around 1845. They were originally for indoor shooting ranges often in British pubs.

What is now known as the. 22 short came out about a decade later as a self defense round from smith & wesson I think. They were originally just called .22 rimfire rounds. They picked up the short name when the .22 long came out

.22 longs were meant to increase the power of the .22 short. mainly for increased range in taking small game.

There was even a .22 extra long that used a heavier bullet and more powder.

.22lr came from using the bullet from the extra long with the case of the long, essentially making both long & extra long redundant.

Thanks to Wikipedia for helping my memory in places.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 05:10 PM   #4
 
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wife shoots them all the time in her sp101, and I have shot a few out of henry gb they are fun and you don't even need muffs
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Old January 20th, 2014, 06:09 PM   #5
 
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22 shorts work great in my Double Nine revolver. Very quiet. Good for dispatching pests in the backyard without disturbing the neighbors. The only shorts I have seen in a year were Rem Golden Bullets (), and those are scarce. I have a few CCI HP shorts stashed away - wish I could find more of those.
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I have a Winchester 1890 pump action made in 1918 that is labeled ".22 Short", Long or Long Rifle will not eject from it as it is chambered for the short. There were many of these used in shooting galleries at carnivals and fairs well into the 1960s.
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There were also things called 'ring guns' and other micro guns. They used .22 shorts. Defending yourself with .22 shorts would give bullet placement a higher priority but there you are.

The shorts were very useful in circus side shows, were very cheap and had value as game guns (what else was there before L and LR?)
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Not to topic hijack, but how about 22 7 1/2?
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Bobberfishin it seems that your questions regarding the rounds have been answered. But I just wanted to add that I have a Henry Mare's leg lever action and it is a blast to shoot shorts with. The 12.85" barrel gets pretty much everything out of the round before it leaves the muzzle so it shoots very accurately out to 15 yards then a small drop at 20. Maybe 1/4" to 1/2" then about 3/4" to 1" at 25.
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In have an old Winchester model 74 that shoots shorts only. It will put 3 shots in a dime at 30 yards with CCI shorts. It's an awesome squirrel rifle!
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When I was a kid, I had an Ithaca single shot 22 and I would buy 22shorts for can plinking because they were cheaper!!
I recently picked up a couple of 100 packs of CCI 22 shorts at WW.

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Why do hot dogs come in packages of 10 but rolls in packages of 8. Probably for the same reason you have 3 different .22 calibers. Different companies and different factories have different ideas without any communication and all want to be considered the standard, and once you set up the machinery to make something, you have to justify the cost you put into it.

If one company has the idea for a gun that shoots .22 lr and another company develops a gun that shoots .22 short, then go through the trouble of producing the guns, meanwhile at the same time money is being spent to produce the machinery to create the ammo it is not easy to just say at some point down the road, "lets standardize everything even though we spent a lot of time and money producing the products we want to get rid of.

just speculation though.
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I have a Winchester 1890 pump action made in 1918 that is labeled ".22 Short", Long or Long Rifle will not eject from it as it is chambered for the short. There were many of these used in shooting galleries at carnivals and fairs well into the 1960s.
I've got a 1913 Winchester Model 90 that's stamped "22-Short" that I know for a fact was a "gallery gun" into the early 40's, because that's when my grandfather stopped traveling the OK/KS carnival circuit. It's #2 of my list for firearms to rebuild; #1 is the 1920'ish Remington 22LR Pump that was the first firearm I ever fired!!

To the OP, I can't add anything to the discussion of "why" there are 3 (or 4) versions of 22 that hasn't already been stated
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Im curious about the Marlin Model 80 bolt action, is it a single shot or does it have a 7rd mag?
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I have seen a few boxes of shorts for sale in the last 50 years but I don't think I've ever seen 22 longs on the shelf.
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