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Old January 13th, 2014, 07:43 AM   #1
 
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What's the difference in 9mm??

Is there a difference between ammo labeled 9mm from 9X19??

I was at Walmart and saw ammo (can't remember brand) but it said 9X19 NATO on it.. (Dint buy it because it was $22 for fmj) Anyways I have a Springfield XD9 that has 9X19 on the slide but has shot any 9mm ammo I've ever fed it.. But is it just another name for 9mm or is there a difference.. I've seen 9mm, 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, and 9X19.. Thanks.



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Old January 13th, 2014, 08:00 AM   #2
 
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9mm Luger, Parabellum, Nato, 9x19 are all the same and should work well in your Springfield!
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If it says Nato on it, it is ussually 124 gr loaded to nato specs which is a little hotter. Around 1200fps is common
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Yep...NATO is hotter. I have some Winchester NATO and it is just like Corvettezo says, 124 gr that has a bit more of a pop to it, not quite +P but more than standard loads

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9mm=diameter of bullet

19=length of casing in mm

Correct me if I am wrong.

regardless, as others said, same as 9mm.
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If it says Nato on it, it is ussually 124 gr loaded to nato specs which is a little hotter. Around 1200fps is common
Fellows it is all in your mind. There is no NATO spec ammo, period. The only thing NATO about brass marked NATO are the four letters that make up the word NATO. IVI in Canada makes "NATO" marked ammo and it is filthy stuff loaded no hotter than most of the commercial ammo I have used. Some countries have made 9MM ammo for sub machine gun use that may be hotter but there is no "Standard".

CZ puts on a NATO inventory number on one of their pistols and some folks think the gun meets some form of NATO testing requirement which is equally wrong. Heck their are shovels with NATO inventory numbers on them.

I heard to RCMP officers claiming one of their standard issue pistols only shot 9MM Para while the other guys gun was chambered for 9MM Luger. One of the two mental giants claimed his gun had adjustable sights because he could move his from left to right by pushing on the side of them while the other guys was a fixed sight because his wouldn't move. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson must have been rolling in their grave.

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If your not sure look it up because there a few 9mm out there and some might chamber. You have 9mm short, 9x17, 9x18, 9x19, 9x21, and on an on. Be good to know so you will spot a off size before you buy or load up.
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Fellows it is all in your mind. There is no NATO spec ammo, period. The only thing NATO about brass marked NATO are the four letters that make up the word NATO. IVI in Canada makes "NATO" marked ammo and it is filthy stuff loaded no hotter than most of the commercial ammo I have used. Some countries have made 9MM ammo for sub machine gun use that may be hotter but there is no "Standard".

CZ puts on a NATO inventory number on one of their pistols and some folks think the gun meets some form of NATO testing requirement which is equally wrong. Heck their are shovels with NATO inventory numbers on them.

I heard to RCMP officers claiming one of their standard issue pistols only shot 9MM Para while the other guys gun was chambered for 9MM Luger. One of the two mental giants claimed his gun had adjustable sights because he could move his from left to right by pushing on the side of them while the other guys was a fixed sight because his wouldn't move. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson must have been rolling in their grave.

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If your not sure look it up because there a few 9mm out there and some might chamber. You have 9mm short, 9x17, 9x18, 9x19, 9x21, and on an on. Be good to know so you will spot a off size before you buy or load up.
When you here the term 9mm short or kurz (the German word), they are referring to .380 auto. You here 9mm short a lot in European movies & actually they used it in the last James Bond movie, when referring to his new gun.

The .380 case is a little over 17mm & the 9mm luger/parabellum/9x19 is a little over 19mm. I actually ran across a few 9x18 at my local outdoor MO state run range & it's a little scary for a reloader because they are hard to spot from a 9x19(Luger) round. One safety check I do because I reload a lot of .380 & 9mm is I use a 380 shell holder when I am initially depriming, because a 9mm case won't fit in a .380 shell holder, but the opposite is not true, so if I have any 9mm in the .380 bag, I catch it then. After working with both a lot, I can pretty much spot them just by looking. When I 1st started reloading .380, I could not.

The article referenced above by hgratt is spot on to the best of my knowledge. Thanks for posting! Bottom line...there is a difference.

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Fellows it is all in your mind. There is no NATO spec ammo, period. The only thing NATO about brass marked NATO are the four letters that make up the word NATO. IVI in Canada makes "NATO" marked ammo and it is filthy stuff loaded no hotter than most of the commercial ammo I have used. Some countries have made 9MM ammo for sub machine gun use that may be hotter but there is no "Standard".

CZ puts on a NATO inventory number on one of their pistols and some folks think the gun meets some form of NATO testing requirement which is equally wrong. Heck their are shovels with NATO inventory numbers on them.

I heard to RCMP officers claiming one of their standard issue pistols only shot 9MM Para while the other guys gun was chambered for 9MM Luger. One of the two mental giants claimed his gun had adjustable sights because he could move his from left to right by pushing on the side of them while the other guys was a fixed sight because his wouldn't move. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson must have been rolling in their grave.

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With all due respect in regards to the ammo, I believe you are mistaken. There is a difference.
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With all due respect in regards to the ammo, I believe you are mistaken. There is a difference.
Nope,NATO is not Europe. European ammo standards are different than SAMMI but the doesn't mean any round marked 9MM NATO is based upon the European method of calculating pressures.

Do you really believe NATO as an organization dictates to the US the standard for their ammunition? They don't for our troops and I doubt the Europeans dictate the standard for US ammo either.

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9x18 == 9mm Makarov
9x19 == 9mm Luger == 9mm Parabellum == 9mm NATO
9X21 == 9mm Largo
9X25 == 9mm Tokarev

There may be others I forgot.

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Do you really believe NATO as an organization dictates to the US the standard for their ammunition?
Actually they do. well, sorta.
NATO EPVAT testing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2007smallar...des_1120am.pdf

And yea, the NATO spec 9mm is a bit hotter..
919mm Parabellum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Having shot NATO it is indeed hotter.
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All I could say is that I have reloaded NATO 9mm brass with no problem .
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