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This is a discussion on "Premium" .22LR worth it? within the Ammo Dump forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; it is if it's all you can find. Also, some guns such as my .22LR conversion for my Glock recommended only premium ammo....


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Old February 16th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #31
 
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it is if it's all you can find. Also, some guns such as my .22LR conversion for my Glock recommended only premium ammo.



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Old February 17th, 2013, 07:44 AM   #32
 
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Great thread, fellows. My non-match grade .22s all seem to do well with Federal Champion Blue Box which is mainly what I shoot.
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bearcatter, I'll try to explain .... Let's start with "match grade" 22 LRs. First, they are rated at "standard velocity" whereas normal 22 ammo is "high velocity". This is printed on the box. Standard velocity 22s have 40 gr bullets and will produce a velocity of 1100 fps in a normal 24" barrel rifle whereas high velocity 22 LR ammo with 40 gr bullets are typically rated at 1200~1250 fps. Match grade 22s have very uniform .221" bullet diameters and 40gr bullet weight. They also have very a uniform primer mix and powder charge. When you chronograph match grade 22s, max velocity spreads are typically under 25 fps (with a match grade barrel), versus 50 fps with premium grade ammo such as CCI Mini-Mags or 100 fps with cheap bulk grade ammo such as Remington Golden Bullets. So ... match grade ammo is a lot more precision than normal 22 high velocity ammo; however, to take advantage of the tighter specs, you need to shoot match grade ammo from a match grade barrel. Match grade barrels have a tight chamber (typically to Bentz specs) and a .221" bore. Conventional barrels have a generous chamber and a .222" bore. Ruger Single-Sixes have a .224" bore and really hate match grade ammo. As you will likely see, shooting match grade ammo in a conventional barrel will typically yield worse accuracy than normal high velocity ammo with a .222" bullet. Likewise, shooting high velocity 22 ammo from a match grade barrel will yield worse accuracy than match grade ammo. This should tell you something ... use the ammo that matches your barrel.

"High Velocity" 22 ammo is the norm for all brands. Each company produces different grades of ammo and the price reflects it. For example ... Winchester makes the cheap WildCats, bulk grade (333), and premium grade (Super-X). CCI makes bulk grade (1200 fps), Blazer (1250 fps), and premium grade Mini-Mags (1250 fps). Federal and Remington also have bulk grade up to premium grade.

Nearly all 22 LR manufacturers make several different bullet weights and styles (solids and hollow points) in high velocity. Bullet weights are typically from 36~40 grains with velocities being higher with lighter bullets. A typical 22 LR with a 36 gr bullet will produce about 1280 fps from a 24" barrel.

Next comes "Hyper Velocity" 22 LRs. These cartridges typically have lighter bullets (32 gr is normal) and produce much higher velocities ... as much as 1640 fps from a 18.5" barrel with a 32 gr CCI Stinger. All Hyper Velocity 22 LR ammo is Premium grade.

What about duds and the "pop-bang" syndrome? The "pop-bang" thing is obvious where most rounds go bang and a few just pop. When you chronograph these cartridges, it is not unusual to see a 200 fps velocity difference, which will affect accuracy and especially at longer distances. I have fired tons of CCI Mini-Mags and don't recall every having a dud or a pop-bang ... very reliable. With Federal bulk packs, which I also shoot a lot of ... a couple duds per carton is quite normal and several pop-bangs. Remington bulk packs seem to be the worst where you can have up to a dozen duds per carton with many pop-bangs.

Some of the dud and pop-bang problems can be attributed to the gun itself. If you have installed a reduced power spring, there may not be enough firing pin energy to dent the rim deep enough to get a good flash ... or maybe a total misfire.

Here's some data that supports the above: I have a S&W Mod 41 with a 7" barrel and a 2X scope. It has a match grade .221" bored barrel with a tight chamber. With CCI Mini-Mags or Federal bulk pack ammo, 1" groups at 25 yards from a bench rest are normal, however with Wolf match grade ammo, those groups shrink to 1/4". Further, the Mod 41 doesn't chamber normal 22 HV ammo well because the bullets are too fat. I also have a Ruger MK III Competition (slab side) with a 6 7/8" barrel and a 2X scope. It has a conventional (generous) chamber and a .222" bore. With Wolf match grade ammo, I can't get groups tighter than 1 1/2" @ 25 yards, however with CCI Mini-Mags, I can easily get 1/2" groups. Point being ... match grade ammo in a match grade barrel shoots some mighty fine groups and CCI HV Mini-Mags shoot much better in a conventional bore.

I encourage 22 shooters to select the right ammo for the application. If you are just plinking at soda cans, cheap bulk pack ammo is just fine. So what if you get a few duds or pop-bangs ... the cost is much lower. I prefer Federal bulk pack for plinking. It seems to be quite accurate in most guns and is less prone to malfunctions, duds, or pop-bangs than other bulk grade ammo. For ultimate accuracy, shoot match grade ammo if you have a match grade barrel. Otherwise, use a premium grade brand name ammo. You should buy a box of several different brands to find out what shoots best in your particular gun. If you shoot multiple guns, probably the best selection would be CCI Mini-Mags. They seem to cycle well and shoot very accurately in most guns.

For hunting and especially for self defense, the priority is function. Not a good time for a dud or jams. Most any premium grade 22 LR ammo will be accurate enough ... just make sure it cycles properly in your gun.
The only case i can find that a heavier bullet is faster then a lighter bullet is with mini mags and velociters so not always the case but 99% it is true
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Here’s a cool little review of 22lr Ammo
Compares Cost, Accuracy and Reliability

He seemed to base a lot of his opinion on how shinny the brass was.
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Tllrugerjunky, CCI makes several different 40gr soild or hollow point Mini-Mags. Depending on the specific load, they are rated between 1200 and 1235 fps. Most other manufacturers 40 gr HV 22s are rated at 1250fps. Mini-Mag 36 gr HPs are also rated slower (1265 fps) versus most other manufacturers at 1280 fps. CCI Velociters are in a totally different class .... "Hyper velocity", where 40 gr bullets are rated at 1435 fps. You might want to visit CCI's web site for more details: CCI Ammunition - Competition/Target & Plinking
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Tllrugerjunky, CCI makes several different 40gr soild or hollow point Mini-Mags. Depending on the specific load, they are rated between 1200 and 1235 fps. Most other manufacturers 40 gr HV 22s are rated at 1250fps. Mini-Mag 36 gr HPs are also rated slower (1265 fps) versus most other manufacturers at 1280 fps. CCI Velociters are in a totally different class .... "Hyper velocity", where 40 gr bullets are rated at 1435 fps. You might want to visit CCI's web site for more details: CCI Ammunition - Competition/Target & Plinking
I know im not saying your wrong im just giving an example of this rare case velociters are very fast shooting 40 grains hyper velocity. So at what speed does it become hyper velocity because i know anything around roughly 1150 fps breaks the sound barrier?
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I know im not saying your wrong im just giving an example of this rare case velociters are very fast shooting 40 grains hyper velocity. So at what speed does it become hyper velocity because i know anything around roughly 1150 fps breaks the sound barrier?
I become hyper after three cups of coffee.

As for the ammo I think any 40 grain bullet going faster than about 1280 would be hyper. But I don't think there is any set standard
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I become hyper after three cups of coffee.

As for the ammo I think any 40 grain bullet going faster than about 1280 would be hyper. But I don't think there is any set standard
Lol good one im lucky if i make it through one haha
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Tllrugerjunky, Maybe the term you meant was supersonic ... which means anything over 1150 fps. There are three basic velocity classes ... from a 24" barrel, 40 gr bullet Standard Velocity runs 1050~1070 fps, High Velocity runs from 1200~1255 fps with a 40 gr bullet and higher with lighter bullets. Anything faster than High Velocity would be considered Hyper Velocity. Seems all the ammo manufactures have their version of Hyper Velocity ammo with a wide range of bullet weights so .... "Hyper Velocity" really doesn't have a defined meaning other than "faster than High Velocity".
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The only time I have ever seen it make a difference over bulk box ammo is out of my brothers savage bolt action .22 at 75 yds. Out of my 10/22 it didnt really make a noticeable difference.
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Most informative thread. Wolf MT does make a difference in my SR22 Rifle Compared to bulk. However the Winchester M-22 ammo is right on it's heals but does produce a few more flyers that are high or low to group as compared to Wolf. (100yd shooting)

I accidentaly loaded my SR22 pistol with Wolf and that was:
1: A waste of good ammo
2: Did not feed well. I had two jams on the ramp and then figured out I had Wolf in the Mag.
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Tllrugerjunky, Maybe the term you meant was supersonic ... which means anything over 1150 fps. There are three basic velocity classes ... from a 24" barrel, 40 gr bullet Standard Velocity runs 1050~1070 fps, High Velocity runs from 1200~1255 fps with a 40 gr bullet and higher with lighter bullets. Anything faster than High Velocity would be considered Hyper Velocity. Seems all the ammo manufactures have their version of Hyper Velocity ammo with a wide range of bullet weights so .... "Hyper Velocity" really doesn't have a defined meaning other than "faster than High Velocity".
Ok and yes ik that super sonic is faster then that 1150 fps but i was just curious what would be hyper velocity
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