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Old January 30th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #1
 
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Rimfire ammo shortage theory

I've been reading the "rimfire shortage" threads here and other websites and there may be another reason why .22 ammo has dried up than has been already suggested.

I suggest that the profit margin is higher on centerfire ammo than it is on rimfire ammo. I also suggest that the raw materials that are used to create ammunition of all kinds are in short supply given all the demand.

Theory: The .22 ammo isn't being produced as the raw materials are being redirected to higher profit margin centerfire ammo production.

What do you think?



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Hope your theory is wrong; just bought a 22cal. LCR a couple of weeks ago to save money on the ammo. Maybe the govt. is giving tax breaks to the ammo companys to cut production; form of gun control.
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I've been reading the "rimfire shortage" threads here and other websites and there may be another reason why .22 ammo has dried up than has been already suggested.

I suggest that the profit margin is higher on centerfire ammo than it is on rimfire ammo. I also suggest that the raw materials that are used to create ammunition of all kinds are in short supply given all the demand.

Theory: The .22 ammo isn't being produced as the raw materials are being redirected to higher profit margin centerfire ammo production.

What do you think?
I don't think that is the case....yet. It would take several months to drain the supply of 22 ammo at the pre-panic rate. People are buying more 22 because it was cheap and now they are hoarding it. With the increased demand of 22s it might be the new profit maker.

In another post I talked about buying up the lesser popular calibers now while they are still on the shelves because I think they will become harder to find in coming months because just like you said the base materials will go to the higher profit calibers.
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Just about everyone who owns a firearm owns at least 1 22. Had a friend tell me over thirty years ago to keep plenty of 22lr on hand as it would go fast in a panic situation.
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Just about everyone who owns a firearm owns at least 1 22. Had a friend tell me over thirty years ago to keep plenty of 22lr on hand as it would go fast in a panic situation.
This current situation has many of us reexamining what is meant by "plenty".

Some people I know would buy another brick when the one they were shooting from got low. Others saw the shortages months ago and started buying 2, 3, or 4 bricks at a time when it was plentiful. I fall somewhere in between and would feel better if I had about 2X what I have.

I originally bought my LCR22 and 10/22 so I could shoot more without spending a fortune on ammo. Until it starts to hit shelves, I feel like I have to cut back since I don't know when I can expect to replace what I use.
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I've been reading the "rimfire shortage" threads here and other websites and there may be another reason why .22 ammo has dried up than has been already suggested.

I suggest that the profit margin is higher on centerfire ammo than it is on rimfire ammo. I also suggest that the raw materials that are used to create ammunition of all kinds are in short supply given all the demand.

Theory: The .22 ammo isn't being produced as the raw materials are being redirected to higher profit margin centerfire ammo production.

What do you think?
right now it is nothing more than herd mentality. people shoot more .22 than anything else. started out with people buying a little more than they usually would "just in case" due to the unpleasantness in December. then the reduced stock became obvious, which started a panic, which was contagious and created the herd mentality.

it has only been about a month since this thing started. ppl will grow tired of showing up at Wal-Mart at 7 a.m. or whatever waiting to buy bricks of .22 ammo they don't need. and, the supply will steadily catch back up. although I suspect that prices will be higher overall due to the great .22 panic of 2013.
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No. The equipment used to make .22LR is different than that used to make center fire.

CCI makes about 1.4 billion rounds a year. Sounds like a lot, but divide that into 500 round bricks. There are at least 1000 Walmarts in the U.S. If my math is right (and, trust me, that's a big IF), that translates into about 8 bricks a day per Walmart.

It's gonna be awhile until .22 becomes readily available again.
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The gun shop clerks I know tell me that they are getting .22 in the same amounts they always have. So production has apparently not been reduced. It just flies off the shelves in record time. Each shipment lasts 15 minutes instead of a week.
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I stopped by a shop today that had four plastic 50 rnd boxes of Fiocci 22LR sitting on the shelf. After I asked about the price I left it there also....$8.48 a box....
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This current situation has many of us reexamining what is meant by "plenty".

Some people I know would buy another brick when the one they were shooting from got low. Others saw the shortages months ago and started buying 2, 3, or 4 bricks at a time when it was plentiful. I fall somewhere in between and would feel better if I had about 2X what I have.

I originally bought my LCR22 and 10/22 so I could shoot more without spending a fortune on ammo. Until it starts to hit shelves, I feel like I have to cut back since I don't know when I can expect to replace what I use.
I think you have the right answer.
I used to just shoot my small supply of 22 ammo and then buy more.
I kept maybe 500 rounds maximum. I would grab a couple of 100 rnd boxes of Mini Mags when I stopped by Bass Pro.
Six months ago I bought a ruger Single Ten, started using way more 22 ammo, so I began to keep more stock, and buy more when it was on sale.

I'm guessing my story is quite typical.
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People are hoarding it, and still buying it up as soon as it hits the shelves. Hey, people wake up all you are doing is raising the price now and in the future. Obama won't have to institute a gun ban when all these hoarders get done we won't even be able to afford to buy a brick of .22s to shoot in a gun.
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I'm thinking I'll wait it out

I'm about to get reaaaalllll busy working for the next 4-6 months so I won't have time to go to the range anyway. I have house projects that I want to complete this year. So I think my choice is to TRY and buy a 10/22 that I have been thinking about buying for about a year and customizing it (maybe this weekend if I find one reasonable at a gun show), enjoy what I currently own in guns and buy ammo if/when I find it and just focus on building up a stockpile of ammo one brick at a time. Won't take long if I'm not going to the range.
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No. The equipment used to make .22LR is different than that used to make center fire.

CCI makes about 1.4 billion rounds a year. Sounds like a lot, but divide that into 500 round bricks. There are at least 1000 Walmarts in the U.S. If my math is right (and, trust me, that's a big IF), that translates into about 8 bricks a day per Walmart.

It's gonna be awhile until .22 becomes readily available again.
there are about 3600 supercenters and discount stores (the non supercenter WM) in the US
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I stopped by a shop today that had four plastic 50 rnd boxes of Fiocci 22LR sitting on the shelf. After I asked about the price I left it there also....$8.48 a box....
If the price wasn't insane, those four would have sold and you'd have found the shelf bare. Seems you end up with no ammo either way, either because there is none or it's at a level no sane person would pay.
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CCI makes about 1.4 billion rounds a year. Sounds like a lot, but divide that into 500 round bricks.
And how much more is made by Federal, Winchester, Remington, Fiocchi, and others?

Though I still get your point. What seems a staggering number really isn't much. It's common for me to run through 500 rounds of .22 in a single shooting session, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I considered it a "shortage" back last spring when Dunham's had CCI-Blazer 525 bulk packs on sale for $15. The first location I went to had none left. So the nice lady there called a few other locations and found one that had some. I ended up buying the 10 boxes they had there (left the 11th box that was quite smash up). About six weeks later I stopped by another Dunham's location and bought all 11 boxes they had in stock there.

Now I think fondly of them good old days of last spring where a shortage meant you had a look a bit if you wanted to buy 11,000 rounds without paying more than 3 cents a round. I think I have 14 full of those bulk packs still in stock, though my S&W 617 really hates them (lots of leading on the cylinder face and forcing cone, which causes it to bind). They work fine in a pistol though.
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