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Thanks for the great post Zommy Gun. A couple of questions here:
1. What are the rough specs on your 10/22?
2. What is your definition of a good group at 50 yards?
I am thinking about running out and buying a box of Remington Peters now.
Thanks!
krwada
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Thank you for the comment...I am simply trying to pay forward on all the information I get from others that has been very helpful to me...
Let me just disclaimer a few things...
I am not the person to consult for 'accuracy' testing...
My comments regarding accuracy are just my general impression overall...I am still in the process of getting better at pulling the trigger etc and trying to sort out what works and doesn't regarding reliability and accuracy in the MACRO sense...
What I mean by that...if I go out and try four types of ammo on paper at the range (most ideal test conditions with bench, shade, chair, target stands, accurately measured distances) trying to figure things out and find one ammo consistently can't stay inside 3" where another can then I eliminate the one that can't...
That is not a high standard...and that is where I am at...for me...my gun...at this time...with the ammo I have tried to date...any ten shot group under 2.5" is in the good range...the very best I have done so far is 5 shot groups in the 1.75" range...
I don't even get into measurement with a ruler or use a 'method' for measuring groups yet...I will later...for now I just go by the smallest diameter circle that will include the entire bullet hole of all the shots...the only exception to that is if I run 10 or more rounds and know full well some of them were just bad shots on my part...since I am trying to evaluate the ammo/barrel/scope whatever and not me...I will sometimes exclude the wild shots...for me this is about getting things sorted out...
TacSol barrel I have 'specs' the barrel performance at 1" with mini mags at 50 yards as a 'guarantee'...
I THINK the factory barrel can do that if all things are good...
Also...it's been a long time since I bothered to shoot at paper at 50yards...but the last time I did I was probably shooting the factory barrel with peep sights and hundreds of Peters and basically getting one large hole in the center in the 1.5-2.0" range...and I think I did test the barrel when new with a scope at 50 yards no paper and believe it was in the 3/4" range for 10 shot groups with mini mags...I really don't recall specifically anymore...
I am sure I can do 1" 5 shot groups at 50 yards from a rest if really trying to with little or no wind and good ammo...that is not impressive by competition standards and not sure what my 'best' would be...
Wind is a big factor too...it's rare that we don't have lots of gusting winds to deal with...
Good luck finding the Peters...I haven't seen it on the shelf for months...
I don't claim any good accuracy with them only that I like it all things considered including price...keeping in mind that is for chasing pop cans at relatively short range...under 60 yards...
So I guess that is a long winded way of saying when it comes to the finer points of accuracy... I don't know...I have more questions than answers...
Specs...I put all the junk in my signature not to impress people but for reference as to what I have just to reference what I base my opinions on...
Not sure it shows up for everyone...
TacSol barrel...sharp claw extractor...Fajen plastic stock...Leupold 2-7x28mm scope...VQ target hammer, PC adjustable sear...trigger over travel stop...
I have also been using that toilet stopper on the end of my barrel lately...
Since I have so much trouble being consistent and problem free lately it has been extremely hard to tell if it helps, hurts, makes no difference...
I can tell you it does NOT dampen the recoil any I can tell...and I didn't see any BIG changes in accuracy...
So still not sure one way or the other if it is worth having...my general impression so far is NO...withholding further comment until I am sure I can say with certainty what the deal is on it...
The only definition of accuracy I will apply to my standards now is that if I were able to consistently stay under 1.5" at 100 yards I would say I have arrived...
Which leads me back to ammo...
I just went and looked at the CCI product literature on the AR Tactical ammo...
They claim no accuracy for the mini mags...but claim 'clean' for the mini mags...which I certainly agree with...
The AR Tactical is clearly a slightly slower velocity version of mini mags...and they claim 1.5" accuracy at 100 yards...not sure what gun/barrel but obviously a semi auto and not bolt action gun...they make no claim on "clean"...
Okay... if the AR Tactical is indeed more accurate at 100 yards in a 10/22 I will definitely try them as the Game Shok is the only ammo I have found that can do that...
I think I will have to have a thread for the AR...