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Old January 31st, 2011, 02:57 PM   #1
 
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Federal .45 Ammo with small primers

Picked up 2 boxes of Federal ammo in .45 (230g FMJ) at Wallyworld this evening. One box had large pistol primers, and the other had small primers. I did not look at them until I got home and noticed the difference. And, of course, Wallyworld has a "no return" policy on ammo. I am not a happy camper! I reload, and obviously, this is a problem....The ammo with the small pistol primers looks like it has plated bullets. I will not be buying Federal ammo again! What a rip-off!



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Old January 31st, 2011, 03:03 PM   #2
 
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Close-up showing the different primer sizes.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 03:18 PM   #3
 
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Left side: Large pistol primer (normal 230g FMJ)
Right side: Small pistol primer with what appears to be a copper-plated bullet.
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Strange!

How do they shoot?
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Thats wierd, I buy tons of this stuff but haven't come across this yet.
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The boxes and plastic carriers are different size. Is the ammo SKU and barcode the same?
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Old January 31st, 2011, 04:53 PM   #7
 
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same SKU and bar code...
top box (large primer) has a lot number...bottom does not.
bottom box (small primer) has a code center bottom.

I have used lots of this ammo in 9mm and never had a problem. But this is most unusual. I almost feel as though this is counterfeit ammo. The quality of the brass and the bullet are far inferior on the small primer stuff...
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I wonder what Federal would have to say about this.
http://www.federalpremium.com/genera...ontact_us.aspx


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I shop there,but if there is any way to cut corners they do it.Ask any vendor.This is too weird,cant see any real savings would be had here.Ay any rate wouldnt consider re loading that brass! Be safe!
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My uncle was just griping to me about the same thing the other day. He was sorting and tumbling brass and noticed that the Federal alternated between small and large primers. That kinda sucks but if you get enough of each I guess it won't be too much of a pain.
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Load data for 45 acp using small pistol primers?I never ,ever vary in any way from known safe loads. ie -primer,load weight.bullet weight ect.Dont have any of my manuals handy,but cant from memory recall having ever seen 45 acp using small primers.May not be a problem,however I have always worked up a specific load in specific brass.You would be surprised at the variances in case capacity from one brand to another.Always be careful when approaching maximums. Be safe!
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Smaller primers are non toxic
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I had heard of Federal using small primers on frangible .45 ACP before, although I personally have never seen it. That doesn't appear to be the case here.
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I have heard of Winchester using the small primers on their "WinClean" ammo that is lead free. Supposedly, there is only a loss of about 100fps on your favorite load with the small primers. It really sucks that there's no distinction between the ammo other then the box is a tad bit smaller.
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Smaller primers are non toxic
+1 on the non toxic ammo.
I have a few hundred shells with small primer pockets that I haven't gotten around to reloading yet. I know I read an article about these shells in a gun magazine a few months ago. IIRC when tested there was less than a 50fps difference between them and LP shells. Dang, now I have to dig through a pile of old mags to see if I still have it.
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