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Old March 15th, 2017, 05:04 PM   #61
 
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That's why I included a link to the whole article, you have to read the whole article to understand what the data tells us. That is also, by the way, why any public opinion poll must be taken with a huge grain of salt; you have to understand the data to understand the results.

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I read it. I still dont see how he came to those conclusions. As the number of victims shot rises, so do the number of misses,, thus diluting the data.
I dont see why you would use miss data anyway. Thats not the point. Stopping power was.

His .32 data makes no sense at all to me.

32. = 25 shot, 21% fatal, 60% incapacitated.
357= 105 shot, 34% fatal, 91% incapacitated.
9mm= 456 shot, 24% fatal, 87% incapacitated.

How can he possibly rate a .32 better than a 357 ?
By his own data, its impossible. And even with the diluted numbers of 25 versus 105. Thats 4 X's more 357 data to compare,, so not really fair, but the 357 still wins hands down. The 357 is the same 91% incapacitated as the rifle data which sound right. So WHY is the 357 not rated high as the rifle?
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The 9mm versus 357 sounds more to par with much similar results, as I think they are and would / should be. Which shoots the FBI data in the butt.

I certainly cannot see where he came to his conclusions for his graph chart. .

But it is what it is I guess. He is prolly sum harvard educated rocket scientist. And I aint. But 2 + 2 still equal 4 in my world. .



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Old March 15th, 2017, 06:05 PM   #62
 
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Sigh. Ellifritz concluded that caliber matters less than accuracy and/or just fighting back in general. Am I the only one who saw that? I know you all say you read it, but did you only see what you wanted to see? All your criticisms of his study, he himself also said. You wanted real world data, but refuse to accept it. That's not my fault.

As for the .44 Magnum stats, maybe the only data included some people who bought a Dirty Harry gun because it was cool, and couldn't shoot it worth a darn. You can't assume every gun owner is Jerry Miculek.
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Well Pennsy, there were only a couple of responses of personal experience but that is to be expected as the probability of a real life shooting incident is small. But there is a lot of good advice in this thread that is worth acknowledging. Statistics get better with sample size so there is a lot of wisdom in Iowegan's comments. The 357 and 45 are very effective provided you carry them and can hit the target accurately and quickly. There may be different experiences but our own experiences are based on a very small sample size. And this matches the best advice I have received consistantly from my instructors which is to conceal carry the highest caliber that you can shoot accurately in a holster that you can draw quickly. So, for example,,,, I am 6'4" with a long body and wide hands, so I have a GP100 357 Mag with Hogue grips in a Galco Silhouette hide ride OWB holster covered by a fleece in the winter and jersey in summer, or suit jacket. Works for me, but not for everyone. And I hope I never have my own personal real world experience on the subject. Thanks everybody for some good discussion.
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Agreed, and I said that earlier.

Accuracy is everything.

About the only data he presented that I would put any stock in whatsoever is the average Incapacitated % rate. At the end of the day, thats whats really important,, stopping the threat.

But without accuracy, none of it matters.
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