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Old February 12th, 2017, 04:52 PM   #1
 
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Pros and Cons on Steel Cased .308

Hello wondering if anyone could shed some light on using steel cased ammo in a Ruger Gunsite Scout .308, I know you cant reload them, i dont plan to do any reloading, but is there any other reason not to use it, is it hard on the gun ? Also whats a good grain weight to use....... Thanks For your help ! JD



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I have used steel cased 223 308 and 7.62x54 with no problem
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I don't shoot the steel case ammo in my GSR...

My rifle prefers 168-175 bullets...
YMMV

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You can shoot steel cased ammo in anything you have with 0 problems. Pros are cheaper ammo and cons are generally a very limited selection of bullet weights. And if you REALLY want to go through the hassle of prepping the cases it can be reloaded
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I don't shoot the steel case ammo in my GSR...

My rifle prefers 168-175 bullets...
YMMV

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Thanks for the Welcome, and your insight....
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I have used steel cased 223 308 and 7.62x54 with no problem
Thanks for the info....
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You can shoot steel cased ammo in anything you have with 0 problems. Pros are cheaper ammo and cons are generally a very limited selection of bullet weights. And if you REALLY want to go through the hassle of prepping the cases it can be reloaded
Thanks for the info.....
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My opinion is that its harder on the extractor from what i seen in autos. However it will shoot just fine. Their was a rumor that the early steel case had a lacquer coating that if you engaged in repeated firing over a short time the lacquer could transfer to the chamber and or internals. I have not personally witnessed this, but it could be possible, maybe thats why they dropped lacquer for a polymer coating to mitigate rust on the casings. However I shoot alot of it in my ak, and sks with no issues. Its a cheap alternative to domestic ammo, but as others stated your bullet selection is non exsistant. Since I reload, brass and boxer primed for me.
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The steel cased Ammo usually has a bimetallic jacket that is magnetic and is harsher on your barrel. The steel case doesn't seal as well so you will get more carbon fouling in the gun. You save a few dollars, but usually give up good accuracy. With the carbon ring you will build up, you can stick a brass case.

The money you saved on steel cased ammo will probably be spent on cleaning supplies as most steel cased ammo is filthy. You will spend more time cleaning.

Your GSR can shoot it, but why put cheap stuff through it when you can get good quality ammo for the same or about the same price?

If you want to shoot cheap steel, get a CZ 527 in 7.62x39 or 223.
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My biggest complaint with steel case ammo is I can't reload it.
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The Soviets used steel cased ammo for decades and it's obviously functional. They supplied that ammunition all around the world. The main advantage is reduced cost and for the former Soviets, conservation of other raw materials, namely mainly copper and zinc. The former Soviets weren't concerned with reloading so steel cased, Berdan primed ammunition was acceptable for their needs.

The steel used is low cost mild steel (soft) and it's a suitable substitute for brass but it has some disadvantages. The casing can rust, so there needs to be some type of coating to prevent that. The old Soviet casings used a lacquer and that resulted in the brownish tint of those casings.
The steel casing may not obturate (seal) the chamber as well as brass does upon firing but it generally works well enough.
Steel casings are almost universally manufactured with Berdan primers and therefore cannot be reloaded by conventional means suited for Boxer primers.

The mild steel used for the casing is significantly softer than the steel used to make rifle barrels and I don't believe they would harm the chamber of the rifle. Someone mentioned wear to the extractor and I hadn't heard that before but I wouldn't discount that possibility.

As a reloader, I despise steel casings. They can't be reloaded in the conventional manner and are potentially damaging to reloading equipment if one makes it into the sizing/decapping die by accident.

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I've shot steel cased in my Mini 14. Don't remember the brand but it was VERY dirty.
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Obdurate means "not changing your opinion". Obturate means to "block or obstruct". In the ammo world, obturate is a variation on the theme and means "applying enough pressure to force a case to expand and seal in the chamber or a bullet to seal in the bore.". Spell checkers don't like "obturate".
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The Lucky Gunner comparison of steel cased 556 to brass probably applies here as well, but as the GSR is a bolt rifle it may not really matter. In short, the Lucky Gunner investigation confirmed that the bimetal (instead of copper) FMJ does wear out barrels quicker, in about half the time (roughly). That's still thousands and thousands of rounds, and barrels are relatively cheap, but its still something to keep in mind. Of course in that case they were testing identical relatively low end Bushmaster AR 15s, so higher quality barrels may not exhibit the same rate of wear.

I personally stay away from steel cased ammo now. But the argument can be made, for sure.
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The Lucky Gunner comparison of steel cased 556 to brass probably applies here as well, but as the GSR is a bolt rifle it may not really matter. In short, the Lucky Gunner investigation confirmed that the bimetal (instead of copper) FMJ does wear out barrels quicker, in about half the time (roughly). That's still thousands and thousands of rounds, and barrels are relatively cheap, but its still something to keep in mind. Of course in that case they were testing identical relatively low end Bushmaster AR 15s, so higher quality barrels may not exhibit the same rate of wear.

I personally stay away from steel cased ammo now. But the argument can be made, for sure.
Thats why I do not mind it in my ak, or sks, they are both chrome lined, and not designed to be match rifles, so steel case or bi metal is perfectly fine for me, in those rifles, not the others.
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