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Old November 23rd, 2016, 11:32 AM   #1
 
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Wadcutter as defensive round?

Some interesting points brought up in this article. Pretty sure it'll elicit lots of differing opinions and robust discussion on the age old question of "what is the best defensive ammo to use?".

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Close up they will make a nice neat hole, that's for sure. I guess better than nothing.
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They ways jam up in my Glocks though...
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They ways jam up in my Glocks though...
Yeah. Sorry. Probably should've posted this in the revolver only forum.
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I would worry about over penetration as well.

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At least thick clothing and denim won't be a problem using a wadcutter. I wouldn't want to get shot by one.
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Yeah. Sorry. Probably should've posted this in the revolver only forum.
I'm kidding with ya. Wadcutters are fun in revolvers.
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You put a 148 gr chunk of lead in the right spot and they will stop a fight. If you shoot them well and a follow up shot is easier then they are better than some hot, high flash load that the shooter has trouble controlling. Hit's on target are what count.
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I'm kidding with ya. Wadcutters are fun in revolvers.
I figured. No offense taken. And yes, they are fun rounds out of a revolver.

From your Glock, probably not so much.
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I have shot many wadcutter .38's but find them useful only at the target range or sometimes for small game hunting. An accurate .38spl and wadcutter bullets make for easy head shots on squirrels at "under the tree" ranges. I have never considered them for self defense. I don't own a scandium framed ultralight revolver either, but if I did I would still want more than 148grains @700fps ("snappy" recoil or not).
One of the first times my Dad let me wander off in the woods with his .38 revolver was in the mid-70's. We were camped at the Wild Hog BBQ event at Monroe Station on the Tamiami Trail. Everyone was having fun with their Jeeps, dirt-bikes, and swamp buggies. I had met another boy about my age, and he had his Dad's pistol to shoot too. We were amateur ballistics testers as we roamed the Everglades shooting coral rocks, clumps of dried mud, and cypress trees. The other boy had a Walther P-38 with Euro-Spec (hot) 9mmFMJ ammo while I had a short barreled .38 with wadcutters. Man was I disappointed in the performance of those .38 loads. They were great on paper or tin cans but failed to penetrate anything harder.
Luckily, when I entered high school I met a guy who had a 6" stainless Security Six .357 and his own car. When my neighbor found out I was shooting regularly he did something amazing. He brought out a Remington-Rand 1911A1 and an ammo can full of WWII vintage hardball. I could shoot all I wanted as long as I returned the gun clean. Those two guns changed my life. For years if it wasn't a magnum or a .45 I had no use for it. I use many calibers now, and reload many kinds of bullets. For me the low velocity .38 wadcutter is a paper-puncher and no more.
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I use 148gr HBWCs or DEWCs for my home defense loads. Here's an article I wrote about it: http://rugerforum.net/library/7988-p...rotection.html
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A wadcutter for self defense? Hitting the vitals? I would venture to guess that if a person was shot by one in an emergency room, they could not react fast enough so save their life. If they could I would be surprised. Wadcutters are not long range but short range they are nasty.

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They ways jam up in my Glocks though...
Oh come on there Neon you know darn good and well a wad cutter doesn't work didly squat in a semi-auto let alone a Glock!!!
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Back in my younger days my first revolver was a first gen Ruger Speed-Six with a 2-3/4" bbl in .357 mag. It was real handful with Super-Vel 110 he JHP and even more with Speer 124 gr full power loads. So I hand loaded a lot of 148g HBWC to shoot it more. (It was a *****cat with those.) one of my friends and I cooked up the idea of turning the bullets backwards so the hollow base became a hollow point but still incorporating a sharp edge. Actually worked pretty well as long as you didn't drive them much over 700fps. Faster and they would keyhole and the base would collapse. But at 700 or less (and within 5 yards or so) they were impressive. Would consistently open up to .7" in soft material. Sure wouldn't recommend them as defense today (I wouldn't use anything but factory loads nowadays) but it was an interesting experiment. I would definitely NOT want to be shot with one, for sure!


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76Highboy, The concept for HBWCs or DEWCs is ... they lack raw power but make up for it by cutting a very nasty wound channel. Normal round nose bullets tend to stretch skin so after they pass through, the wound will close up and not bleed as much whereas a wad cutter will punch a hole that doesn't seal up so the bad guy bleeds out.

lancehankins, Many of us have experimented with "backwards loading" using LHBWCs. At close range, they do open up but I'm not sure it would penetrate far enough in flesh to do as much damage as a normal bullet. At about 10 yards, they start tumbling and do create some interesting shapes.

For semi-autos, a Semi-wad cutter will produce a nasty wound channel because they also cut a hole rather than pass through like a round nose bullet.
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